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People 'selling' shuttle debris
News.com.au ^ | 2/2/03 | Staff

Posted on 02/01/2003 7:18:01 PM PST by nunya bidness


TEXAS authorities are investigating reports that people are trying to sell debris from the Space Shuttle Columbia, which disintegrated over eastern Texas earlier today.

"We have a zero tolerance policy for this sort of thing," said Mike Shelby, the US Attorney for the southern district of Texas, after hearing a Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) report that attempts had been made to sell debris on ebay, an internet auction website.

Shelby said that he and his colleague Matt Arwig, the US attorney for the eastern district of Texas, would cooperate with authorities in an investigation.

Those attempting to sell Columbia wreckage could face charges of theft of government property and interference in a federal investigation, he added.

Of the more than 600 pieces of Columbia memorabilia listed on ebay since the disaster, none advertised wreckage of the shuttle itself.

This report appears on news.com.au.



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1 posted on 02/01/2003 7:18:01 PM PST by nunya bidness
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To: nunya bidness
none advertised wreckage of the shuttle itself.

Correction, ONE did and was quickly pulled.

2 posted on 02/01/2003 7:21:25 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I think Satan may end up with an overpopulation problem in Hell because of eBay.
3 posted on 02/01/2003 7:22:48 PM PST by evolved_rage (Kill a commie for mommie)
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To: evolved_rage
I think Satan may end up with an overpopulation problem in Hell because of eBay.

eBay? Or, a few idiots on eBay? Don't blame the gun.

4 posted on 02/01/2003 7:26:58 PM PST by Cagey
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To: nunya bidness
What the HELL is wrong with people?

It ought to be against the law to KEEP it, much less try to sell it.

5 posted on 02/01/2003 7:28:35 PM PST by Howlin
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To: nunya bidness
On a slightly related note, I hope that the government will compensate people whose homes are damaged by debris. They shouldn't receive a lottery-size settlement, but I think reasonable repayment of losses is fair.

WFTR
Bill

6 posted on 02/01/2003 7:34:25 PM PST by WFTR
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To: nunya bidness
As ugly an insight into the human mind as it might be, people are willing to not only sell pieces of Columbia, but buy them as well.

Can those caught doing so be exiled to Iraq?


7 posted on 02/01/2003 7:34:50 PM PST by South40
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To: Howlin
What the HELL is wrong with people?

Whew. That's the 64K question. Here is an eBay auction for a coin that started on the 27th at $7.95. If it were not for today's tragedy it would probably have sold for $50. Right now it's over $5,000 and I bet it closes at over $10,000. I guess the answer is greed. In this case on the part of the buyers.

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8 posted on 02/01/2003 7:37:06 PM PST by Cagey
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9 posted on 02/01/2003 7:43:36 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: nunya bidness
Disgusting
10 posted on 02/01/2003 7:44:01 PM PST by semaj
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To: Howlin
I agree, but to play devil's advocate, if a tiny nut or bolt landed on your doorstep would you be tempted to keep it? Be honest! My Dad saved a big piece of ash that settled on his window sill from the WTC. He lives 6 miles away in Brooklyn. I know that the dust was not neccessary for an investigation.
11 posted on 02/01/2003 7:44:04 PM PST by ffusco (sempre ragione)
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To: South40
How about use them as human shields and beat Saddam at his own game?
12 posted on 02/01/2003 7:44:31 PM PST by cyborg
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To: nunya bidness
Nasa should just put out a reward for people who bring pieces of it in or find debris.
13 posted on 02/01/2003 7:50:12 PM PST by Husker24
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To: cyborg
How about forced immigration to his country?

Let a country other than America take the unwanted for once.
14 posted on 02/01/2003 8:00:36 PM PST by South40
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15 posted on 02/01/2003 8:12:32 PM PST by nunya bidness (Your ad here!)
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To: Paleo Conservative
That patch on ebay has been up since before the accident. If you look at patches from the other flights they have also been up for a few days. I don't think the person who put this up for sale is doing it because they are trying to take advantage of a tragedy. I've got three patches myself and look occasionally to see what they are going for.
16 posted on 02/01/2003 8:13:39 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: nunya bidness
If that guy lives in Germany, how did he happen to find a piece of the Columbia shuttle in his backyard?
17 posted on 02/01/2003 8:19:49 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: Slyfox
That patch on ebay has been up since before the accident.

Started Feb-01-03 09:42:15 PST

I don't think so. It was placed at 11:42 CST or more than 3.5 hours after the accident. There are lots of different auctions for these patches.

18 posted on 02/01/2003 8:20:13 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Slyfox
Wrong! The patch went on auction on Feb 1, at 9:42 AM, PST, about three hours after the incident.
19 posted on 02/01/2003 8:25:06 PM PST by clintonh8r (It's better to be feared than to be respected.)
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To: Slyfox
"If that guy lives in Germany, how did he happen to find a piece of the Columbia shuttle in his backyard?"

I do not know if this item has ANYTHING to do with the SPACE SHUTTLE COLUMBIA nor do i claim it being genuine....

20 posted on 02/01/2003 8:28:24 PM PST by Fraulein
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To: Paleo Conservative
Yep, that one was placed for auction after the tragedy.

Have you checked the bid history lately? $10,099.00!

21 posted on 02/01/2003 8:30:12 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (Democrats ARE an evil terrorist organization!)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Hmmm..well usually when they have 2 days left on their auction that means they have been up more than one day.
22 posted on 02/01/2003 8:37:48 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: nunya bidness; All
On FOX earlier today, they said that if you "steal" pieces of the Shuttle and sell it, you will face a $250,000 fine and 10 years in jail.
23 posted on 02/01/2003 8:37:48 PM PST by CyberAnt ( Syracuse where are you?)
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To: Slyfox
If that guy lives in Germany, how did he happen to find a piece of the Columbia shuttle in his backyard?

He didn't say it was a piece of the shuttle. He said he found it in his backyard an hour after the shuttle went down, and it looked like a piece of rocket hardware. You assumed he was trying to claim it was a piece of the shuttle, but he never said that.

24 posted on 02/01/2003 8:38:20 PM PST by Campion
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To: Cagey
I see nothing wrong with this kind of auction. It's not a morbid things, it's a commemorative thing and will be very valuable one day.
25 posted on 02/01/2003 8:39:14 PM PST by Hildy (b)
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To: All
No need to jump down my throat. I made observations that any schmuck looking at ebay would make.
26 posted on 02/01/2003 8:40:36 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: Cagey
A Columbia coin sold earlier today on Ebay for more than $13,000. It started at $9.95 and went for 6 days without one bid.
27 posted on 02/01/2003 8:41:51 PM PST by CharacterCounts (A sucker born every minute)
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To: nunya bidness
Soon to be people going to jail.
28 posted on 02/01/2003 8:41:54 PM PST by alaskanfan
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To: Paleo Conservative
One of the e-bay things you posted said the seller was in CA and the other said Germany, and neither seemed to be wreckage debris. I don't deal with e-bay, but it seems to me that these were just some sleazeballs trying to make a profit sans merchandise (and I really wonder about any takers).

I don't want to seem like Pollyanna, but has anyone actually seen someone trying to sell real parts/pieces and why is this being described on TV as if there is a stampede of trophy-hunters? From what I've seen the people in TX have been respectful of these sites.

29 posted on 02/01/2003 8:57:42 PM PST by Mudbug
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To: Mudbug
One of the e-bay things you posted said the seller was in CA and the other said Germany,

You must be confusing me with another Freeper. I only posted the auction for the misson patch with the highest current bid.

30 posted on 02/01/2003 9:00:47 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Howlin
As I recall, it's a felony to in any way tamper with aircraft wreckage. Those offering "wreckage" on eBay are going to be in a world of hurt for one of two reasons. If the wreckage is genuine, then they'll be popped for tampering with the wreckage. If it's not genuine, then they'll be visiting the Graybar Hotel for wirefraud. Either way, a 300lb. guy named Tiny will be calling them "dear" in the not too distant future.
31 posted on 02/01/2003 9:07:02 PM PST by Redcloak (Join the Coalition to Prevent Unnecessarily Verbose and Nonsensical Tag Lines, eh)
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To: Paleo Conservative; nunya bidness
You have my apologies. I was trying to respond to posts by
nunya bidness. Darn,I guess it's time to go back to the mud and lurk for a while.

Oysters R in Season.
32 posted on 02/01/2003 9:12:27 PM PST by Mudbug
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To: ffusco
I agree, but to play devil's advocate, if a tiny nut or bolt landed on your doorstep would you be tempted to keep it? Be honest!

NO. Not for an instant.

My Dad saved a big piece of ash that settled on his window sill from the WTC. He lives 6 miles away in Brooklyn. I know that the dust was not neccessary for an investigation.

Obviously, and therefore an irrelevant analogy.

33 posted on 02/01/2003 9:13:43 PM PST by Stultis
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To: Campion
It's a quick disconnect for a garden hose.
34 posted on 02/01/2003 9:15:37 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult ("Read Hillary's hips. I never had sex with that woman.")
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
Bingo
35 posted on 02/01/2003 9:20:38 PM PST by RedWhiteBlue
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To: RedWhiteBlue
It looked familiar then I saw this on Fark.com,


36 posted on 02/01/2003 9:25:13 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult ("Read Hillary's hips. I never had sex with that woman.")
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To: Redcloak
If it's not genuine, then they'll be visiting the Graybar Hotel for wirefraud.

Obviously, you're not familiar with Fleabay.

If they're just scamming, very little will happen to them if they're careful about how they accept payment and represent their goods.
37 posted on 02/01/2003 9:52:04 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: WFTR
On a slightly related note, I hope that the government will compensate people whose homes are damaged by debris.

Like that poor dentist who had a piece of debris crash through his office? Bet HIS appointments for Monday are scuttled.
38 posted on 02/01/2003 9:53:52 PM PST by Xenalyte
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To: clintonh8r
Wrong! The patch went on auction on Feb 1, at 9:42 AM, PST, about three hours after the incident.

9:42 Pacific (California) time is 11:42 Central (Houston) time. Almost four hours after the accident.
39 posted on 02/01/2003 9:55:49 PM PST by Xenalyte
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To: nunya bidness
And just think Terry McCallaugh would call this good old fashion Capitalisam!!! I can see the Klintoons using this too raise money also.
40 posted on 02/01/2003 10:03:52 PM PST by Brimack34
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To: Cagey
I wish I could short these auctions...the highest prices are on the first day of disaster, and I imagine there are gonna be a ton of walk-away bidders who come to senses in the next few days.

Curiously, EBAY cancelled all wtc-related auctions later in the day of the attacks, but has not done so here.
41 posted on 02/01/2003 10:38:58 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: WoofDog123
Also after 9/11 I noticed specific bidders coming in and runnning wtc-related auctions to the max and walking away, as a method of defacto-cancelling the auction.

As I said before, I bet the walk-away rate on auctions which are going at 100x+ what they would have friday is gonna be sky-high.

Once again, I wonder why ebay did cancel wtc-auctions shortly after those terrorist attacks, but has allowed the scalpers to put everything short of parts on auction THIS time.
42 posted on 02/01/2003 10:45:56 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: Cagey
I have dealt with a lot of people on Ebay and every last one of them were polite, helpful and a pleasure to do business with.

Do not blame Ebay because of a simple few who have no class much less a heart. This is despicable and I hope they catch every last one of them. This is the lowest form of behavior in a situation like this. I can only imagine the kind of person who would partake in this kind of activity.

Thank God for the majority of human beings who are not in this category.

43 posted on 02/01/2003 11:01:22 PM PST by cubreporter
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To: WFTR
Oh, I think they will. Don't you?
44 posted on 02/01/2003 11:02:10 PM PST by cubreporter
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To: South40
Yeah, one way ticket to "paradise."
45 posted on 02/01/2003 11:02:46 PM PST by cubreporter
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To: Cagey
Here's one that closed at $13,000


This auction was posted on Jan 25th. The starting bid was $9.99. There were NO bids until this morning. Check out the bid history and the final price.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3003546952&category=546
46 posted on 02/01/2003 11:04:44 PM PST by sonserae
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To: ffusco
Nope, would not keep the tiny nut or bolt. They asked people to return these items as it will help in the investigation and that's exactly what I would do with it. why keep it? Souvenier? What kind of souvenier would that be? I couldn't keep something that came out of a tragedy, especially when we have been asked to contact the local authorites.

We should behave in an adult and professional manner and do what they ask us to do. It doesn't belong to us anyway so the right thing is to return whatever it is to the proper authorities. Gotta put those temptations aside as it IS the right thing to do.
47 posted on 02/01/2003 11:08:10 PM PST by cubreporter
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To: Husker24
Why should NASA have to pay rewards for debris? People are not supposed to BRING IT IN. They ask to cal the local authorities and let them handle it. Why can't people just do a good deed and help out? That would be a decent thing to do. Must there always be a "payoff" involved? Wouldn't it just feel good to help without benefit of a reward???
48 posted on 02/01/2003 11:11:13 PM PST by cubreporter
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To: Slyfox
Read the description, full of weasel words.
49 posted on 02/01/2003 11:13:52 PM PST by Not now, Not ever! (10101100)
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To: sonserae
oldcapitolclub(127) is the winner.

Pay using PayPal.

The total is considerably higher than PayPal's annual limit for payments.

50 posted on 02/01/2003 11:14:41 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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