The Drug War Refugees

Los Angeles Times ^ | February 2, 2003 | Eric Bailey

[MrLeRoy]

[…] Now a new breed of American refugee has arrived, seeking asylum from a different kind of war--the fight over medical marijuana. […] The effort languished until 1988, when the chief administrative judge at the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration made a startling ruling: Marijuana had a place in medicine. Judge Francis L. Young declared it unreasonable, arbitrary and capricious for the federal government to stand between "sufferers and the benefits of this substance."

DEA officials quickly rejected Young's ruling, and the courts backed them. […]

[Law Abiding American People]

I would have thought that pro-illegal-drug threads would be rare on a conservative forum.

Not to mention the posts ridiculing and advocating the arrest of law enforcement officers for doing their job. The pro dopers get mean when their orthodoxy is challenged in any way.

[philman_36]

Surprising, another gateway drug thread.
Surprise, another "show that the WODdie is wrong on his facts" thread.
CJ said..."Not where I live. No one has been arrested for mere possession or use in the past 30 years."
He further stated that he lives in California.
The last few replies (16/17/20) have shown that his information was and is incorrect.
Got anything to say about that? Should he at least get his facts straight?

[philman_36]

The pro dopers get mean when their orthodoxy is challenged in any way.
I don't know about "pro dopers", but I get mean after months of listening to falsities and insinuations and start throwing facts up that so easily refutes mistruths.
Is that a good reason to "get mean"?

[Law Abiding American People]

A big bag o' Doritos is your friend.

[philman_36]

A big bag o' Doritos is your friend.
So in other words...You don't even have enough of an intellect to rationally debate the subject with me so you resort to pettiness.
Works for me, newbie.

[Law Abiding American People]

All I know is, the law is on my side.

Don't want to be a "refugee" from the law? Then, don't use illegal drugs.

[philman_36]

All I know is, the law is on my side.
Well, you've just proven that you really don't know too much, newbie.

[philman_36]

Educate thyself oh, ignorant one.
If that is what you support, then you're not saying much for yourself.
The hearings on the national marijuana prohibition lasted one hour, on each of two mornings and since the hearings were so brief I can tell you almost exactly what was said to support the national marijuana prohibition.
Snip...Now, some of you may think that the debate on the floor of Congress was more extensive on the marijuana prohibition. It wasn't. It lasted one minute and thirty-two seconds by my count and, as such, I will give it to you verbatim.
Two hours, one minute and thirty-two seconds, about the same amount of time, accumatively, to debunk a whole bunch of stuff presented as fact!

[Law Abiding American People]

So, the law is NOT on my side? Is that what you're saying? Well, go ahead and walk into any police station in the country and fire up a doob. Go ahead, but let me know just before you do it, cause I want to watch.

[philman_36]

So, the law is NOT on my side? Is that what you're saying?
Can you understand the words coming out of my fingers?
If that is what you support, then you're not saying much for yourself.
Do I need to enunciate?
The law isn't on any "side"...

[philman_36]

Go ahead, but let me know just before you do it, cause I want to watch.
Voyeur! (a prying observer who is usually seeking the sordid or the scandalous)

[Cultural Jihad]

Well, not meaning to intrude on your latest nit-picking fight with someone else here, but since this was a thread about so-called medical marijuana, when I stated no one has been arrested for mere possession or use in the past 30 years, I was reefering to marijuana, dude.

[philman_36]

Well, not meaning to intrude on your latest nit-picking fight with someone else here, but since this was a thread about so-called medical marijuana, when I stated no one has been arrested for mere possession or use in the past 30 years, I was reefering to marijuana, dude.
Ah! Well then, let me refine my search parameters, since you've redefined them, and let's see what I come up with...
I'll be back. /Arnold Schwarzenegger impression

[Trailerpark Badass]

I stated no one has been arrested for mere possession or use in the past 30 years, I was reefering to marijuana, dude.

Odd...the CA AG office Bureau of Criminal Statistics lists 48,495 misdemeanor marijuana arrests in 2001 alone.

[Cultural Jihad]

More than 28.5 grams? No ID? Using in a car on a public road? I'm sure that among those arrested, there are zero adults who were just sitting in their homes with their lids.

[philman_36]

Well, here ya go. That was just TOO easy!
pdf conversion (even got you a pdf converter...)
http://caag.state.ca.us/cjsc/publications/misc/cinc/4system.pdf
Crime in California
Prison Population 1999 Admissions December 31, 1999 to Prison
Average Percent Term
Offenses Inmates of Total Inmates (years)
Drug Offenses
Possession 19,753 12.3 7,335 2.3
Possession for Sale 12,974 8.1 4,915 3.6
Sale 6,850 4.3 1,708 4.8
Manufacturing 2,992 1.9 1,214 4.4
Other drug 948 0.6 225 3.7
Marijuana Possession 27 – 13 1.6
Marijuana Possession for Sale 936 0.6 548 2.1
Marijuana Sale 714 0. 4 295 3. 0
Other marijuana 134 0. 1 75 2. 9
Subtotals 45,328 28.3 16,328 (-)

Anything else?

[philman_36]

Was that from one of my links? Did I miss that?

[philman_36]

Oops...Anything else, dude?

[philman_36]

2003-30=1973...
Savings in California Marijuana Law Enforcement Costs Attributable to the Moscone Act of 1976: A Summary

TABLE I
CALIFORNIA MARIJUANA ARRESTS 1972-1986*

Year	Felony	Misdemeanor	Total
1972	73,061	3,500	76,561
1973	88,110	3,500	91,610
1974	99,597	3,500	103,097
1975	85,757	3,500	89,257
Average 1974-75	92,677	3,500	96,177
1976	19,284	34,110	53,394
1977	17,262	34,110	51,371
1978	17,397	35,424	52,821
1979	19,263	32,796	52,059
1980	20,509	38,270	58,779
1981	20,771	43,791	64,562
1982	20,737	42,904	63,641
1983	19,920	43,803	63,723
1984	21,350	42,219	63,569
1985	24,182	43,181	67,363
Average 1976-85	20,068	39,133	59,201
1986	19,938	30,105	50,043
*Data provided by Bureau of Criminal Statistics and Special Services, California Department of Justice. Misdemeanor marijuana arrest figures were not recorded by the Bureau between 1972 through 1977, and am estimated based an the averages of the three preceding years and the two following years. al. 1987).

[philman_36]

Anything else, dude?
Care to retract your statement now or will you move the goalposts yet again?