The Drug War Refugees

Los Angeles Times ^ | February 2, 2003 | Eric Bailey

[MrLeRoy]

[…] Now a new breed of American refugee has arrived, seeking asylum from a different kind of war--the fight over medical marijuana. […] The effort languished until 1988, when the chief administrative judge at the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration made a startling ruling: Marijuana had a place in medicine. Judge Francis L. Young declared it unreasonable, arbitrary and capricious for the federal government to stand between "sufferers and the benefits of this substance."

DEA officials quickly rejected Young's ruling, and the courts backed them. […]

[Protagoras]

Your apparent paranoia problem can be treated with wonderous medications these days.

Care to recommend any?

Care to deny that you have never engaged in alerting others to certain threads by means other than publicly pinging them? Or ever been alerted?

Try to keep in mind the commandment against false witness when answering.

[Protagoras]

Are you making a case that such laws exist which require a person to carry id at all times?

[Cultural Jihad]

Apparently some self-avowed libertarians are nothing but busy-body statists who can't mind their own business but feel compelled to stick their noses into other people's. ;)

[Protagoras]

New poster? Or retread?

[Cultural Jihad]

Are you making a case that such laws exist which require a person to carry id at all times?

Who knows? You would have to ask a lawyer who is licensed to practice law in California. All I stated was that according to norml.org's website, there are no arrests in California for mere possession or use as long as some very generous and responsible conditions are met, such as quantity of the contraband, age of the miscreant, and whether they possess a valid state ID or not.

[FreeTally]

New poster? Or retread?

Well, Don Myers' and VA Avagado's personas have been MIA since their bannings. This LAAP's posts sound a little familiar. He/she/it has already used the "the law is on my side" argument on some thread.

[Protagoras]

Apparently some self-avowed libertarians are nothing but busy-body statists

Who are you referring to?

And you refuse to answer. It's an admission.

[FreeTally]

Who knows? You would have to ask a lawyer who is licensed to practice law in California.

Bzzzzzzt! Wrong answer. This issue has already been in front of the SCOTUS.

[Protagoras]

Off topic. I addressed a posters comment which made the point that people should carry id at all times.

Do you favor that?

[Cultural Jihad]

To quote from norml's website on California's laws:

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Possession of 28.5 grams or less of marijuana is not an arrestable offense. As long as the offender can provide sufficient identification and promises to appear in court, the officer will not arrest the offender. Upon conviction of the misdemeanor charge the offender is subject to a fine of $100.

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[Cultural Jihad]

... people should carry id at all times.

Do you favor that?

Why should my opinion matter to you at all? If people want to carry ID they will carry ID. If they want to not carry ID, then they are welcome to do so, too. But regardless of whether anyone carries or not, they have to live with the consequences of their actions. Only liberals try to whine and excuse their way out of personal responsibility.

[FreeTally]

Ok, I'm not sure why you posted that to me as I never addressed that claim.

[Cultural Jihad]

The reason it was posted to you was because of your statement on SCOTUS deciding on a law mandating the carrying of ID. When you think about it, it doesn't matter whether the carrying of ID can be mandatory, as the good people of the state of California have a right to decide different punishments based on different conditions. Person A is carrying a lid and gets caught. In this very rare event, he produces an ID, and gets issued a ticket. Person B has even less of a lid, having been shorted by Shorty the Shiftless around the corner, because Shorty knows that Person B is a little short himself in the wits department anyway. An officer catches him checking out his lid on the steps of City Hall. He doesn't have an ID, or refuses to present it. He doesn't get a ticket. It was all his choice, of course. He is in complete control of his own destiny at all times.

[Protagoras]

Only liberals try to whine and excuse their way out of personal responsibility.

Off topic. The topic is carring id.

Why should my opinion matter to you at all?

So you refuse to give your opinion and you refuse to deny your little secret email participation.

Quite convienient if one is trying to avoid explaining. Attack with off topic statements but never state your own views.

[FreeTally]

What's a "lid"?

Anyway, what you post is not relevant to the fact that the act of not carrying an I.D. is not an arrestable offense. No court has ever ruled that once a person is stopped by a law enforcement while in commission of a misdemeanor or felony, that person doesn't have to provide I.D.

Regardless of whether you or I think certain actions should be "crimes", an officer has to have reasonable suspicion that you are engaged in one of these "crimes" to ask you for I.D. I think this is the entire point that was trying to be made to you.

[Protagoras]

It seems the poster has fled after exposure. That after making posts referring to paranoia.

[Roscoe]

If you're caught with illicit drugs, its unlikely you'll be cited and released if you can't or won't identify yourself.

Reason and dope don't go together.

[Protagoras]

Reason and dope don't go together.

I guess I just assumed you didn't use dope.

Do secret email alerts and your presence on these threads go together?

[Roscoe]

Possession of 28.5 grams or less of marijuana is not an arrestable offense. As long as the offender can provide sufficient identification and promises to appear in court, the officer will not arrest the offender. Upon conviction of the misdemeanor charge the offender is subject to a fine of $100.

No restriction on their beloved dope is too slight for them to yowl about.

[Roscoe]

Do secret email alerts

You made post #57 to me. Extreme short term memory loss?