Appeal Seeks To Establish Right to Trespass on Clinic Property To Stop Involuntary Abortions

TMLC ^ | 2-12-2003 | staff

[Illbay]

The thing that bothers me about this stuff is that it isn't about "the law," it's about publicity.

And that's wrong.

It is wrong to abuse the legal system in such a way, with spurious claims that have little validity.

What does he mean "they didn't give informed consent"? They didn't agree with HIS views on abortion?

Turn this around the other way: Can an atheist who believes that children in religious schools are being coerced into religion enter such a school and "liberate" the "inmates"? Man, the "deprogramming" industry will have a heyday.

[Catspaw]

It's going to be interesting. Goodman plead no contest/guilty to the charges in 4/2001 (according to Wisconsin Circuit Court Access) but he appealled and the judgment of guilt was vacated (I haven't bothered to check for the decision, but someone else can). He's scheduled to go on trial again in 4/2003.

A necessity defense means I can trespass? Cool. I've always want to see the inside of a bank vault wearing my jacket with REALLY BIG pockets.

[Poohbah]

IIRC, one of our very own FReepers got sandbagged by Thomas More out here in California (she got sanctioned to the tune of $77,000 or so).

[Notwithstanding]

Well, I have personal knowledge of all the details of this case, and it is also a matter of the court record - that Mr. Goodson was non-threatening and the only reason he was considered a trespasser is because he asked the people who worked their questions about what goes on at the abortion clinic. One of the workers even swore that he was very calm and not at all threatening. In fact, the only person who were violent was the daughter of the abortionist - she actually attacked Mr. Goodson in a crazed fashion SIMPLY BECAUSE SHE KNEW HE HAS PRO-LIFE VIEWS (and she knew that because he had told her before in a very kind way that he was praying for her). Mr. Goodson is a pacifist.

Anyone else who goes to this abortuary and asks questions is not viewed as a trespasser.

The court has given Mr. Goodson damages for the tortious attack by the daughter - holding that her belief that Mr. Goodson was dangerous or a threat to be unreasonable.

TMLC does not take cases that are shaky.

[Notwithstanding]

Muise was at the very top of his class at Notre Dame Law School where he was an associate editor for the Law Review. He entered the Marine Corps JAG (the hardest JAG to enter - very competitive) (he was an infantry officer and decided to go to law school ON HIS OWN DIME and then return to active service in the JAG), and is so damn good he could run circles around any three attorneys you care to put him up against. (I know because I worked for/with him). In fact, he is often up against teams of attorneys and his success rate is amazing.

He has also been offered a federal judicial clerkship (THE prestige job for young lawyers, as far as academic prowess is concerned) as well as a job with the US Attorney.

Poohbah - you is totally wet on this one.

[Notwithstanding]

Saundra Duffy supports TMLC 100% and they are paying the sanction themselves - she is not at all sandbagged.

The judge is a pro-abort liberal and like most of them ignored the law and ruled like an autocrat dictator - without relying on the law.

[Poohbah]

Your "personal knowledge" of the case is significantly at variance with the facts that the TMLC posted.

Second, it looks like it was a mutual kill--Muise got a $101 judgement, but Meriter got a $375 judgement against Goodman.

Mr. Goodman also has a history of criminal trespass...

[Notwithstanding]

Palpy = Hater = Satan:

You absolutely HATE the TMLC. Lots of ACLU types do.
Maybe you got dinged by them?

They are SOOOOOOO good. Kickin' ass and takin' names.

This guy was brutalized by a crazy woman for entering the abortuary calmy to talk and you are pretending this is a case of forcefully raiding the place.

The depths to which you will stoop to prop up your facade!

Apparently you can't read or love to wallow in ignorance - TMLC wins all the time. And like all other attorneys, they do occasionally lose - an unforgivable sin in your book.

You are simply a hater.

[Notwithstanding]

Please point to the variance.

[Notwithstanding]

Like other peaceful civil rights activists (including Martin Luther King, Jr.) Mr. Goodman also has a history of criminal trespass...

[Notwithstanding]

please take a look, Suandra

[Notwithstanding]

please take a look
at #26
Suandra

[APBaer]

"Mr. Goodson was non-threatening.."

We are given this assessment by Notwithstanding, who is so mentally balanced that in post #28 she wrote of another poster:
"Palpy = Hater = Satan"

Well, as to this character assessment "We'll take it for what it's worth."

[Kryptonite]

Is that court judgment for a whopping $101, and was it satisfied by American Family Mutual Insurance Company?

Also, it looks to me like Mr. Goodman had judgment entered against him for $375.19, and in favor of Meriter Hospital.

Please tell me I'm wrong about these figures, because if I'm not, trumpeting an award of "damages" under these circumstances is a stretch. That is not to say that the fact of a judgment doesn't have legal significance. It does, but I would suggest focusing on the decisions, and not the damages.

[APBaer]

Like other peaceful civil rights activists (including Martin Luther King, Jr.) Mr. Goodman also has a history of criminal trespass...

OR, Like Monk in Oliver Twist, Mr. Goodman also has a history of criminal trespass...

[Poohbah]

You're describing Mr. Goodman as merely entering the clinic to ask questions of the staff. The TMLC describes him as entering to help the women scheduled for abortions that day. The two descriptions are at significant variance, because of who is allegedly being addressed in each case.

Second, given that Mr. Goodman has a history of trespassing at this facility, you can conclude that he knows that his presence isn't wanted by the tenants. Curiously, the TMLC neglects to mention this point.

If you are trespassing on my property, I will politely ask you to leave. I will do so exactly once. I will not repeat myself. I am not required to repeat myself. If you do not endeavour to immediately obey my request, you can expect some unpleasantness. I will use the minimum force necessary to ensure your departure. If you attempt to resist ejection from my property, the force applied will escalate accordingly. You may choose to characterize it as a "violent attack." The law does not.

[Kryptonite]

Can you point me to the decision awarding a sanction in that case, please?

[Notwithstanding]

I did not mention the dollar amount precisely because my emphasis is on the legal significance of the award, not the dollar amount! (It was the other poster who thinks that is so important).

[Poohbah]

The dollar amount IS important. It indicates what the jury believed to be the relative causalities of the situation being litigated.

[Notwithstanding]

His intent was to try to save babies and assist mothers to avoid being tricked into aborting (as is so often the case).

But his actions - the actions encountered by the abortuary workers - were simply talking to them about what was going on at the clinic very calmly. I understand that the workers are on record swearing to that. TMLC is correct in its article and I am also correct. No variance.

His success or failure in accomplishing waht he intended does not change his intent, and his tactic in first talking calmly to the workers was his way to embark upon achiving his stated goal (eventually preventing moms from being hoodwinked into allowing the abortionist to kill their babies).

There is no variance.

And as to your contention about what is allowable when it comes to ejecting trespassers, the judge disagreed with you.

The facts are that the daughter went crazy - irrationally and with no reasonable belief - thinking that this very very peaceful man

- who was simply talking and exhibited no violent behavior and who she KNEW to be a man of prayer and kindness (she is on record admitting that her only prior contact was seeing him praying for her and him talking to her calmly about how he was praying for her and her dad) -

was going to attack her abortionist dad. She jumped on him extremely violently and he immediately went all passive and limp. (Witnesses who work there confirmed all this).

She then knelt on his head and back with all her weight.
(All in front of several other clinic workers who confirmed that he was absolutely passive and prayerful and calm and extremely reasonable - even though the daughter was the one who was nutso and scary the whole time).

The clinic worker even told the daighter to stop being such an idiot.

Facts are great things.