Hiding in Plain Sight (Al Arian at the White House)

Newsweek ^ | March 3rd, 2003 | Michael Isikoff

[justshe]

Agreed. And in no way was I referring to you. Hope you know that.

I was referring to people who are pinged to a thread, instigate, lie down in the street and flag the semi to run over them.....and THEN cry victim to the Admin Mods and the owner of this site. MULTIPLE times. They even brag about it. No wonder the thread(s) gets pulled.

And most are pretty savy about not playing the role of the 'semi'.....but even then, words are twisted, fabricated, or taken out of context in order to achieve victimhood. I've seen it 3 times, with the same person, over the last 2 weeks.

So I was making a point about the virtuosity espoused. No one is seeking this person out. This person is pinged to these threads.

[Torie]

Well one particular person was a real piece of work, but as you say, quite skilled in effecting maximum damage, almost akin to a WMD. LOL.

[Freedom2specul8]

So this is where everyone is at..

[justshe]

Just passing by....lol.

[Sabertooth]

A couple of points:

I have 8 or 9 ping lists, which vary by subject. If I see a relevant thread, I go to one of the lists.

Neither of the suspended Freepers is on any of them. Prior to her suspension, I scolded the suspendee you don't care for, via Freepmail, for engaging in the flame war and helping to get the thread deleted, which I had posted and into which I had put a bit of effort. My "game," if you care to look at my posts, is to try and bring facts to light and discuss them. I confess that I do have a point of view, but I think you'll also notice that I frequently ask other posters to provide information, sources, and links, as I am not beyond persuasion.

Also, I am known to have people who aren't necessarily likeminded on some of my lists, because we get along and we have enjoyable and interesting discussions, even in disagreement.

It's happened, on occasion, that some posters on my lists have gone after others of a more gentle disposition, and it's not unheard of for me to intervene, whether by Freepmail or on the thread itself, in those instances.

Ask around.

[TLBSHOW]

Your right its in 2001 that he was at the white house its no big deal
I read.........

bottom line is this....

Problem is not solved we still have amc and cair people. We still don't know who is the access person(s) besides Groover. Is it still going on. These groups have been warned about before now that it turns out correct well a new set of friends needs to be found. Like Trent Lott days there needs to be statements made and these questions taken care of. If not for our national security but to slam the democrats against any smears over this matter because you know they will.

[justshe]

I have 8 or 9 ping lists, which vary by subject. If I see a relevant thread, I go to one of the lists.

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Please read my posts more carefully before you respond.

I said: "I've watched many on 'your' threads ping others..."

I did not say YOU pinged those people to your thread.

[Freedom2specul8]

I hestitate to post what my observations was.. I think you've summarized some of it quite well.

[Sabertooth]

Well one particular person was a real piece of work, but as you say, quite skilled in effecting maximum damage, almost akin to a WMD. LOL.

To my observation, this was a victimless crime.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Be careful, he's got.....well, you know.

[Sabertooth]

Please read my posts more carefully before you respond.

I said: "I've watched many on 'your' threads ping others..."

I did not say YOU pinged those people to your thread.

Fair enough, my apologies for the misunderstanding.

Hopefully, though, we're also clear that this isn't behavior I condone or encourage. You did say that my game had been identified, and that the one I'd hoped would be suspended was, no?

[ohioWfan]

To my observation, this was a victimless crime.

I dunno Sabertooth. For my part......though I am not calling myself a 'victim'.........I'm not too fond of having my words twisted and contorted to the point that what I actually said comes out exactly the opposite by the flamer. And I am also not fond of having vulgarities thrown at me because the poster doesn't agree with my position.

I will agree that you as an individual, are capable of having disagreements without nastiness, but I do tend to avoid the threads you post to because of the unfortunate people who hang around those threads.

And it gets tiring to see the same few people implying repeatedly that the President is lacking in honor, intelligence, or integrity. He is not, and I'm not sure that these poor souls don't repeat the accusations just to get the attention they apparently crave.

[justshe]

You and one other have been joined at the hip on each of these threads. Perhaps you should discuss pinging with your compadre. My apologies to you for assuming you condoned the behavior.

[Victoria Delsoul]

So you think that the WH knowingly invited a possible terrorist?

That information comes from the WP:

"Sami Al-Arian, a former computer engineering professor at the University of South Florida, had been under investigation by the FBI for at least six years at the time of the June 2001 briefing for a Muslim organization. Numerous news accounts also had said federal agents suspected Al-Arian of links to terrorism."

Al-Arian told The Washington Post in an interview last year that being cleared into the White House gave him confidence that he was no longer suspected of being a terrorist supporter or sympathizer.

Al-Arian was one of 160 members of the American Muslim Council who were briefed on Bush's faith-based agenda and other issues by Rove and others in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, which is adjacent to the White House, on June 22, 2001.

As I told cyncooper on post #85, is the media which is making this implication.

Here is the link: Alleged Terrorist Met With Bush Adviser

If the link doesn't take you directly to the article, try this one and click on "Alleged Terrorist Met With Bush Adviser- Washington Post." (Hope it works) LINK

[Sabertooth]

You and one other have been joined at the hip on each of these threads. Perhaps you should discuss pinging with your compadre. My apologies to you for assuming you condoned the behavior.

Sometimes I find myself in unlikely alliances, such as with your suspended friend and myself on the Trent Lott threads. If that happens, so be it.

I told you at the time that I thought the poster to whom you're referring had been unfairly mischaracterized in a post to me as having called President Bush a traitor. I don't care if he's unpopular, that was wrong, and I was in the best position to know, and to step forward on his behalf, so I did. I would again.

That said, knowing his propensity to play with lightning rods, I actually have asked him to keep a lower profile on a number of these threads, in the hopes that some could focus more on the actual story that I've been following and on which I've been posting. The results have been a bit mixed.

There are too many on all sides who thrive on the personality conflicts. I won't pretend that I don't like a good brawl from time to time, but not on a day and night basis.

[Freedom2specul8]

"Unlike them, for me, this isn't about personality conflicts. That's why I wasn't suspended from posting Friday night"

I have to disagree a bit..this really is NOTHING about personality conflicts. A personality conflict is a minor thing that doesn't erupt into a flame war amongst numerous people.

[Victoria Delsoul]

Let him think the heat is off, and carry on with his plans, instead of shooting down his meeting and perhaps warning him that all was not well.

Actually, you have a point there. Thanks for your post.

[justshe]

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[Fred Mertz]

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