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To: o_zarkman44
This is a completely bogus urban legend which crops up periodically on FR. It is on the level of the Protocols of Zion Where did these alleged goals come from? Where were the published? Did the CP actual use this, almost comic Dr. Evil-like wording, or was the wording used by an "interpreter?" Yes....I know it was published in the Congressional Record...but so what? You see some of the stuff that Maxine Waters inserts there.
2 posted on 03/02/2003 11:09:13 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk
The names have changed, but the enemy is still the same. You discredit this transcript. Perhaps you are an enabler?
3 posted on 03/02/2003 11:14:58 AM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: Captain Kirk
Cleon Skousen (author) was in the FBI and a Professor at Brigham you think he was lying or making this up.? I'm just curious...
4 posted on 03/02/2003 11:25:10 AM PST by goodnesswins (Thank the Military for your freedom and security....and thank a Rich person for jobs.)
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To: Captain Kirk
here did these alleged goals come from? Where were the published?

First, it is not an urban legend. Leon Skousen was an FBI agent. Many, if not most of the goals he articulates were written by Antonio Gramsci, including destroying the family with sexual perversion. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with Gramsci's writings before flippantly dismissing Skousen's conslusions?

Skousen also worked extensively from Carrol Quigley's writings back when almost no one had ever heard of them (the mid-1950s). Quigley's book was pulled by the publisher, and it wasn't because people weren't interested in reading it. Unless you have also read Tragedy and Hope, I would suggest you do a little homework before you so dispense such vitriol.

5 posted on 03/02/2003 11:30:28 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Because there are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Captain Kirk
Isn't Maxine Waters a member of the *progressive* (socialist) caucus of the Democratic party?
14 posted on 03/02/2003 5:20:02 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG..)
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To: Captain Kirk
But listen to this excerpt on how the Bosheviks ran things in the Soviet Union from Richard Halliburton's "Seven League Boots"; 1935, in the chapter called "Straight talk from Russia"

Remember to put it into the context of the times - the Great Depression, when many, many influential people thought capitalism was through and Communism was the way of the future...

"Of course some of the stubborn ones may not like their new medicine. But we know what's good for them - they don't. We must lock them in. From now on no Russian may leave Russia."

"There will probably be a few fools," the leader continued, "who will fail to appreciate the blessings we are going to give them, and will try to run away. And perhaps some of them will succeed. But we'll take care of that. If any Russian does escape we'll persecute his mother and sisters and children, and send them off to starve and freeze in Siberia. That will teach the other rebels a lesson!"

"The family must go next. Family unity is a capitalistic and bourgeois custom dangerous to Communism. Our children must be taught to spy upon their parents and testify against them. Our men and women must be able to love whom they please, when they please; to marry and divorce on impulse. Our state will care for the unwanted offspring, and do it better than the parents."

"Money," they said, "is the source of all evil. Money was the support of the gentry and intelligentsia. We must destroy all private wealth, all private property, and all means of accumulating it, lest these old classes come back."

What's bizarre is many of these same ideas have been thrown around here in the US for a long time by socialists and others who might not have any idea where they came from.
15 posted on 03/02/2003 5:27:39 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: Captain Kirk
Here's another oldie but a goodie...

Attitude Channeling
18 posted on 03/02/2003 6:37:25 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG..)
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To: Captain Kirk
"Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

Would they really say that? Would they claim their fellow traveler, Picasso was putting out repulsive, meaningless art?

22 posted on 03/02/2003 7:22:06 PM PST by oyez (Is this a geat country.....or what?)
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To: Captain Kirk
The list is not an urban legend.

Skousen's book The Naked Communist, published in 1958, is one of the most important books ever written for grasping Communist Party activities during the Cold War. I read parts of the book back in the 1960s.

I understand that copies of Skousen's famous and important book are still available. I would suggest that you do an internet search and get a copy of the book-- and come up to speed, not disparage the list of the 45 goals as an "urban legend."

On October 25, 1999, Geoff Metcalf presented Skousen's list in a column on, archived at Metcalf said "I could (and probably should) write separate columns on each of the following items in the subsequent list of 1958 Communist Goals. However, this information (and commentary) is not an event, but a process. Therefore, as an introduction (as I practice restraint) here is the Skousen 1958 laundry list/wish list of Communist goals. As you read these please note these were 1958 Communist goals. This is not another cyberspace urban legend. Florida Congressman A.S. Herlong Jr. entered this list into the Congressional Records in 1963.

39 posted on 03/03/2003 11:14:25 AM PST by the_doc
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To: Captain Kirk
I've misplaced a book published by the Commitern or some such--an early Commie oversight org--I think in Moscow or some such--a really rare book. . . from decades before 1963--I think maybe even 50 years or so earlier.

The key goals listed above were in that book in one form or another. If and when I find it, I'll post key passages.

This particular list may have some bogus elements or sources associated with it in some way for some reason or another.

But the gist of it is NOT bogus.

It was my job to be aware of such early documents, to organize them and make them available to university researchers.
44 posted on 03/03/2003 1:35:55 PM PST by Quix
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To: Captain Kirk
It isnt. Go to (or if you must, go to the library) and get W. Cleon Skousen's "The Naked Communist". It's a very revealing and quite timeless tome.
49 posted on 03/03/2003 9:02:32 PM PST by GOP_Raider (OAKLAND RAIDERS AFC CHAMPIONS!!!!)
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To: Captain Kirk
What is it with you anyway?

(amazing how much of their multiple generation agenda has been successfully implemented right under our noses)

51 posted on 03/03/2003 11:52:43 PM PST by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: Captain Kirk
Even if totally manufactured, it seems to have been rather prescient.
54 posted on 03/04/2003 8:25:13 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: Captain Kirk
The Goals of the Communist party are in chapter 12 of this most excellent book....
The Ensign Publishing Company, Salt Lake City, Utah. Copyright 1958, 1960, 1961 by the
Ensign Publishing Company Co.
P.O. Box 2316.
Salt Lake City 10, Utah.
Ninth Edition. July, 1961.

The Rise of the Marxist Man

Chapter 1 The Founders of Communism
London 1853
The Early Life of Karl Marx
Marx as a Young Man
Friedrich Engels
The Communist Manifesto
The Revolution of 1848
The End of the Communist League
The Family of Karl Marx
The Founding of the First International
Marx Writes a Book to Change the World
The Closing Years

Chapter 2 The Appeal of Communism
The Case for Communism
The Communist Philosphy of Nature
The Origin of Life, Consciousness and Mind
A Brief Critique of the COmmunist Philosphy of Nature

Chapter 3 The Communist Approach to the Solution of World Problems
The Communist Interpretation of History
Human Progress Explained in Terms of Class Struggle
The Communist Theory Concerning Private Property
The Comminist Theory of the Origin of the State
The Communist Theory of the Origin and Economic Significance of Religion
The Communist Theory of the Origin and Economic Significance of Morals
The Communist Plan of Action
The Dictatorship of the Proletariat
The Classless, Statless Society Under Full Communism

Chapter 4 A Brief Critique of the Communist Approach to World Problems
Communism as a By-Product of the Industrial Revolution
The Communist Intepretation of History
The Communist Explanation of Society
The Origin of the State
What is Religion?
The Communist Theory of Morals
The Communist Theroy of Class Struggle
The Dictatorship of the Proletariat

Chapter 5 The Rise of the Revolutionary Movement in Russia
Marxism Comes to Russia
The Early Life of Nikolai V I Lenin
The Origin of the Bolsheviks
Background of Leon Trotsky
The Russian Revolution of 1905
Background of Joseph Stalin
Stalin Engages in Criminal Activities
Stalin as a Union Organizer, Writer and Bolshevik Leader
The Role of Russia in WWI

Chapter 6 How Russia Became a Communist World Power
The Russian Rev. of march 1917
The Destruction of Russia's Plans for a Democracy
Russia Repudiates Communism at the Polls
Lenin Takes Russia Out of the War
The First Attempt to Communize Russia
The End of a Communist Dream
The Rise of Stalin to Power
The First 5-Year Plan
The Communist Crisis of 1932-33
US Recognition of Communist Russia Comes at a Critical Time
Joseph Stalin's Return to Power
Stalin Creates a New Class

Chapter 7 Communism in the USA
American Founding Fathers try Communism
Marxism Comes to the US
The First Wave of Communist Violence Strikes the USA
William Z Foster Launches the Communist Labor Union Drive
The Growth of US Communism as Seen by Whittaker Chambers
Whittaker Chambers Breaks With Communism
Elizabeth Bentley Takes over after Chambers Leaves

Chapter 8 Communism and WWII
The Rise of Adolph Hitler and Nazism in Germany
The Communists Claim Credit for Starting WWII
Stalin Suffers A Stratefic Defeat
WWII Moves Closer to the US
The US Policy of Coexistence Goes into its 3rd Stage
The Story of American Lend-Lease to Russia
Russian Attempts to Secure the Secrets of the A Bomb
Closing Months of WWII
US Policy of Coexistence Enters the 4th Stage
Creation of the United Nations (UGH!)
Communist Attitudes at the Close of WWII

Chapter 9 Communist Attacks on the Free World During the Post-War Period
The Decay in US - Soviet Relations at the End of WWII
The Free World Loses 100 Million People
The Free World Loses China with her 450 Million People
Effect of the Yalta Agreement on Post-War China
Chiang Kai-shek Attempts to Create a Democracy in China
Disaster Strikes Donw an old US Ally
The Wedemeyer Report
The State Dept. White Paper of 1949
An Amazing Development
The Communist Attack on S. Korea
The Korean Armistice
The US Summarily Abandons its 20 Year Policy of Appeasement
The Role of the FBI in the Battle of the Underground
The Crack in the Iron Curtain
The Communist Conquest in Indo-China
The Task of Isolating a World Aggressor
Russia Tests the New US "Get Tough" Policy

Chapter 10
Khrushchev as the Dictator of the Ukraine
How Khrushchev Seized Power
The Hungarian Revolution 1956
The UN Investigation of the Hungarian Revolution
Inside Khrushchev's Russia
The Hazardous Life of a Communist Dictator
Khrushchev's Scheme to Force the US to Invite Him to America
Was Khruschev's visit a Mistake?
Aftermath of the Khruschev Visit
The U 2 Incident
The RB 47 Incident
The Space Race
The March of Communism in Africa
The Tragedy of the Congo

Chapter 11 The Communist Conquest of CUBA
Who is Fidel Castro?
Castro's Second Attempt at Murder is Successful
Castro as a Soviet Agent in the Bogota Riots
Castro Commists His THIRD Murder
The Batista Regime in Cuba
The Castro Coup D'Etat
The Communist Take-Over

Chapter 12 The Future Task
The Communist Timetable of Conquest
Importance of the Psychological War
What about Disarmament?
What about Peaceful Coexistence?
What about the United Nations?
Is the Communist Movement a Legitimate Political Party?
Is the Soviet Empire Vulnerable to Economic Pressure?
Could Powerful Pressures Cause the Communist Cause the Communist Empire to Explode Internally?
What Can the Ordinary Individual Do?
Suggestions for Parents

Five Vital Questions
What to the defenders of Communism say?
....etc. etc. etc.

56 posted on 03/04/2003 9:03:42 AM PST by buffyt (Can you say President Hillary - Mistress of Darkness?.......Me neither!!!!!!!!!)
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