Schools point out teens to Military Recruiters--Teens aren't Happy

The Newark Star Ledger ^ | 03.04.03

[learner]

You are saying that there is no economic drive for the recruiters, but somewhere in my aged brain past ,I remember reading that there was economic,ie, incentitive for these people. I am merely asking what it is and if in fact it exists.
On another similiar topic, you can be of great help given your past experiance. This young man is a person we have taken into our home as a consequense of his having a disasterous family enviorement. We have taken care of him in all respects and are happy to do so. He is a very bright individual. His SAT's are 1340 and in his navy qualifying test got a 93%( I think I have the latter number correct, but I know they think he has his pick of schools). He has passed the physical and the test, so we are farther down the line than you might have thought.
They say they will gaurentee him schools and I believe them, but my son who was in the navy about 25 years after me says to be careful. He states that if there is ANY delay, all gaurentees are off. Is there any way to protect this very bright kid?
Is your e-mail for real for I would rather do this directly?
Again, Thanks!!!!
George

[Colt .45]

There is NO economic incentives in military recruiting for each new recruit. The recruiters receive their regular pay and the special "arduous duty" incentive pay ... period.

93% on his ASVAB?! Tel him to get Nuc School guaranteed to him!

[rangerwife]

Learner, what Colt is telling you is true...recruiters are not compensated per recruit. It would be nice if they were, but they're not. My husband is on recruiting duty and he receives special duty pay each month, but does not receive a financial incentive per recruit. A lot of people tend to believe that they do...I've had to tell my mother in law like 1000 times that hubby doesn't get a bonus for each recruit.

Colt, thanks for explaining recruiting duty...you and others on here like TADSLOS explained it very well. I cannot wait till this tour is up...8 months and counting!! Fort Bragg here we come! LOL!

[I Luv Bush]

And if he can finish Nuke school, any college in the country will be a piece of cake after he gets out. I did NNPS in Orlando, 1987, and I still have the scars!!

[learner]

Yoy both specifically say"per recruit" which suggests a commision system which you deny. OK but what about a quota ststem? A quota system does not apply to each canidate but bonus's upon equaling or exceeding each target.
This is not a decision debate on my part, but rather a question on my part, for I suspect more than the usual intrest in this kid.
Thanks George

[steve-b]

Look, a fact of modern life is that you have to forget some of what you learned was proper etiquette, like not hanging up on people.

I don't hang up on people -- just on telemarketers.

[dts32041]

Take federal Money, you live with the federal abuses.

No federal money no calling.

[Rubber_Duckie_27]

My two best friends at college are ex-Navy nukes...we're mechanical engineering majors and it's not a coincidence these two are at the top of our class. :-) They both went through NNPS after you, but have vivid nightmares of going back.

My little brother is 16 and a high school junior. He has been a Sea Cadet (as was I) since the age of 10. That kid really amazes me...he wants to join the Coast Guard after high school. Just last month when his idiot friends were having drunken house parties, he gave up his winter break from school to spend the week on a small cutter. He wants to go back in April, if they're back (the cutter is now on a homeland security mission). He spent 2 weeks at a CG air station last summer, but wants small boats or cutter service. He makes me so darn proud...

Interestingly, our mother is the one trying hardest to convince him NOT to enlist (Dad is fine with it, and is trying to help change mom's thinking). She has been convinced since we were born that her kids would GO TO COLLEGE, and the fact that my two best friends are graduating from college with me in May, AFTER serving in the Navy, is doing nothing to dissuade her. Also, his little rugrat "friends" in high school are making fun of him...his guidance counselor told him he's "too smart", that enlisting would be a waste of potential. It makes me sick, really. Personally, I can't think of anyone BETTER for the Coast Guard - I will be proud to be his sister.

The Navy recruiters still call me after 4 years of college...they still call my fiance, who graduated from high school 6 years ago. The new guy is nice, the old one used some rather questionable recruiting tactics and had a reputation of telling any lie to get people to sign up. Several of my high school classmates discovered after boot camp that it's not possible to be a pilot for the Blue Angels when you've enlisted for 4 years as a gunner's mate.

Now that I'm finishing college and am looking into the reserves, I fear they will NEVER leave me alone!

[Tiemieshooz]

I'm taking track to get me in shape for boot camp. I'm also studying whatever knowledge I can like my General Orders and rank structure and things like that. Hopefully I'll have a little bit of an edge over most people when I get there.

[Tiemieshooz]

LOL, I was so close to joining the USAF, but, God had other plans I guess. You know, the branches of the military poke fun at each other all the time. I'm guilty of it myself. But, I believe all 4 branches of the military need each other to survive and accomplish things. That's the important thing.

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

LOL last duty as a NavWife was recruiting and LOL!

[sarasmom]

Yeah, we are all family.

I can diss a "jarhead" or "grunt" 24/7 and get away with it.If a civilian tries to do the same, well, those are fighting words!LOL!

Best of luck to you,and welcome to the club.On the whole, you will never associate with a better group of people again,if you choose to serve only a single term of enlistment.USA military service is life in the fast lane, no matter the branch.

The lifestyle cannot be explained,but after you have experienced it,you understand that no explanation is needed for those who have been there, and no explanation will suffice, for those who have not.

[Colt .45]

'The veteran has not given me the freedom of speech, nor of the press, nor freedom to burn a flag. God gave me those freedoms; veteran's, like my soldier and sailor ancestors, merely showed up to do the Lord's will. And no veteran of an army on earth will take away my freedoms either.'

You are naieve, God may've graced you to be born in America, but if the veterans hadn't of fought for those rights ... you wouldn't have them! And if no one has enough sack to step up to the plate to fight for them, then those rights won't last too long either. If the kid doesn't wnat to serve, why doesn't he just tell them he's a felon?! That will get him off the hook. I mean if one is going to lie, then either go big or stay at home.

[ReaganCowboy]

Think: You either have a right, or you don't. If you have a right, then you either claim it, or you don't. God gives men their rights, men don't give other men their rights.

Ergo, no veteran has given me a right.

You can no more give me a right than I can give you one. We can certainly try to restrict each other's rights, and that's where the fighting starts.

Suggest you read the preamble to the Constitution, or better yet the Declaration of Independence. See where your rights come from!

Veteran's are instruments of governments, and governments are instruments of God's will. Thanking a veteran for my freedom is like thanking a refrigerator for my food. I choose to pray to my God, and not my refrigerator. I appreciate my refrigerator -- I don't worship it.

[Colt .45]

I am well aware of the Preamble to the Constitution and what the Declaration of Independence says. The Inalienable rights are listed as Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness .... and the right to change one's form of government if it no longer works to secure the first three. You are correct in saying that you can claim a right, however, governments have to recognize these rights or you are not a free man.

You say you don't have to thank a veteran for your freedom, this proves that you are naieve.

Think: if no US veteran had ever gone out to fight for freedom against tyrants, what language would you be speaking today, and what form of Government would you be living under? Yes, God endows individuals rights ... but veterans preserve them! If no man is willing to fight for what God has bestowed upon him, then other Godless men are willing to take those rights away. But it was only through war and veterans fighting that we won our hard earned freedoms. A country such as ours cannot go blithly along through the years and not expect to have someone who wants to destroy it. There is always a group of individuals otu there in the world who think they have a better form of government. We have enjoyed 200+ years of freedom, but that has been paid for with blood and sacrifice by veterans. You must remember ... God helps those who help themselves. Perhaps it would be wise for you to do a little more studying up on the Framing of the Constitution and the ideals behind the Declaration of Independence.