California faces governor recall (good summary of situation and recall process)

The Washington Times ^ | March 9, 2003 | Sean Scully

[FairOpinion]

Two groups of Republican activists are trying to use California's unusual century-old recall law to oust Mr. Davis, an unpopular Democratic incumbent who won a second term in November by narrowly defeating a weak and disorganized Republican candidate.

Polls show that Mr. Davis' popularity has fallen to new lows due in large part to the state's budget deficit, now projected at $35 billion.

[FairOpinion]

I am hopeful and optimistic.

[Jumper]

Recalls are short sighted and open election results to debates. It is far better than one live with their "poor" decisions which excalibrate the dumb choices they have made as an ever constant reminder what voting for a party versus a reasonable conclusion brings. Democrats will not elect themselves next around but if Republicans stoke the fires of Party Politics at this juncture, it might energize an angry group to continue to bleed themselves and society dry. Democrats always vote against themselves when the wealth created by Republicans dries up!

[FairOpinion]

EAsay for you to say, you don't live in California and don't have to look forward to 4 more years of this idiot jerk.

California successfully recalled some CA Supreme Court Justices some year ago, so if anyone deserved a recall, it's Davis, who, shouldn't have been reelected in the first place.

[bybybill]

How is a recall going to help in 2004? If the sob is recalled, isn`t the rat LT. Governor promoted?

[goldstategop]

As long as Davis has to watch his back the chances of tax increases coming down the pike later this year are nil. Hence the importance of the recall drive even if it ultimately goes nowhere.

[goldstategop]

No. In the event voters oust Davis, they choose from a list of candidates to succeed him. I don't think the Democrats want to look like they're undermining the governor by running someone against him in a recall election. Its a tickled pink situation for us and the Democrats are left having to defend the guy who's steering the S.S Kalifornistan Titanic . Love it!!!

[FairOpinion]

I sure would love to see the recall succeed and get a Republican Governor in CA.

It would be good for us in CA and for Bush in 2004.

I bet the Democrats would have apoplexy.

[WFTR]

How do you keep a RINO like Riordan from stepping into the race and winning an easy victory?

WFTR
Bill

[Green Knight]

While I wouldn't mind seeing him stay and fill out his term and ruin California, I don't live there, so I gotta support the recall effort. However, I still think the best idea would be to split California up into several smaller states. If I remember right, doesn't the State Legislature have the power to do that? If I were a Californian, I'd be working to split off the rest of California from the Left Coast, consisting of Los Angeles, San Francisco, etc. Every time I look at county by county maps of California, I see how the vast majority of the counties pretty much go Republican all the time. It's mostly those few counties on the coast that go Democratic. Yet because there're so many people there, they negate the votes of the MILLIONS of conservatives farther inland. So I say split the state up. Split it into 2, if not more, states.

That's just my opinion, of course. Have no idea if it'd be feasible, or even desirable. Though I don't see how it wouldn't be desirable, from the point of view of millions of conservatives who keep having their vote negated by the kooks on the coast.

[judgeandjury]

The recall petition was filed with the secretary of state on Feb. 5, after which Mr. Davis issued a response calling the organizers "a handful of right-wing politicians [who] are attempting to overturn the voters' decision."

Actually, if the recall is successful, the voters will be the ones who'll be overturning the voters' decision.

[FairOpinion]

Don't knock Riordan.
I live in LA and he has been our Mayor and has done a great job. He is not as much a "RINO" as some people think. He is a pragmatic business man, and still manages to get along with the Democrats, but doesn't sell out on important issues.

I think he is moderate enough to get Democrat votes, but a fiscal conservative, and a "get things done" type, which is exactly what we need for California right now.

I think a moderate Republican like Riordan could get elected and could be effective as governor, working with the Democrat legislature, but NOT letting them steamroll him.

If anything, I think Riordan should be encouraged to support the recall effort and run.

[FairOpinion]

"If I were a Californian, I'd be working to split off the rest of California from the Left Coast, consisting of Los Angeles, San Francisco, etc"

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Gee, thanks, throwing the conservatives living in these places, including me, to the wolves!

My solution to the California problem of too many idiot liberals is much more pleasant: we should get a lot of good conservatives move here -- the weather is great! -- and then the conservatives could be the majority and fix the place, and have our cake and eat it too: live in a great place and have it run by conservatives.

[WFTR]

From what I've heard, Riordan is pro-abortion and pro-gun control. I wouldn't vote for him if I lived in California, but I can understand your plight.

WFTR
Bill

[goldstategop]

I would never vote for Dickie Pooh. He's only different from Gray Davis in his party label. He's a liberal who is committed to being tax and spend, pro abort and bedding down with gays and enviro wackos as the Democrats. Some difference!

[bybybill]

But the Lt. Gov. runs the state till the election for a new Gov.?

[FairOpinion]

I don't think he is pro-gun control.
As for pro-abortion, the governor doesn't make any laws regarding that, so while we may not like it, it doesn't impact his job of straightening out the California economy, and cut wasteful spending and so on. And he really is good at that.

Remember, there are an awful lot of Democrats in California, that's why Simon lost. Why do you think Davis spent a great deal of his money running anti-Riordan ads in the PRIMARY?

We don't have an ideal world.

We need to be pragmatic as well. We voted for Simon, and ended up with Davis. If we had voted for Riordan, we would have ended up with Riordan.

Riordan is infinitely better than Davis.

So our choice is not between an ideal conservative Republican and a moderate Republican, our choice is a leftist Democrat or a moderate Republican.

I submit to you that Riordan, a moderate Republican is infinitely better than any Democrat they would run in CA.

[ex-Texan]

Guv Davis committed fraud by withholding the truth about the financial crisis from the voters. He is a fraud artist. He ought to be criminally charged. Instead, he is running the state. No wonder people are outraged and looking for revenge. Have a couple of points to make. Then I will shut up.

Point # 1: Guv Davis has been following Clinton's advice and his scripted game plan. Billy Blowjob taught the Dims they can prevail, ultimately, if they follow his script: Just do this -- if they lie, steal, cheat, cover up, intimidate witnesses, commit perjury, solict bribe money, accept bribes, get lucky, and important witnesses die or have accidents, and deny, deny, deny ... The Dims also believe in retaliation and love the strategy of 'payback time.'

Next thing you know, recall petitions will be floating around against every Republican holding office in the state. Just for 'payback,' but also to confuse the issue with more confusion. You might as well file recall petitions on every Dim that is sitting in office, too.

Point # 2: In the end, it will be a hopeless battle. The battle is hopeless because you are living in California in the first place. The battle is also hopeless, because you are surrounded by Hispanic illegals, Chinese illegals, Korean illegals, Islamics disguised as Hispanic illegals, Russian illegals, and illegals from everywhere, by the boatload. They are getting off fishing boats in every port. They are going to control your state government very soon because they like to vite illegally.

Point # 3: Total all of that up. What do you get? Chaos. Total chaos. In the end, I have to conclude that California is a raving 'Madhouse.' You 'cannot fight city hall,' or in this case, the Guv of Californicate.

Point # 4 : That is just one reason why I moved out of the state. Suggest you follow a new scenario: Move before it is too late. Do some careful planning. But move. They cannot tax you when you have left.

Feel free to flame away. Adios, Amigo.

[ex-Texan]

Oops! Strike 'vite.' That should be 'vote illegally.'

Adios.

[FairOpinion]

"They cannot tax you when you have left."

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Yes they can, or at least can try. I knew some people who left California, but were getting pension from a California company and CA said they are entitled to tax it. I don't know what finally happened.

As for your other point, I think you made good points, but I like the climate here too much to give up on it.

As I said before we don't need conservatives moving out, we need conservatives moving IN to California, watch the polls, and overwhelm the Dems. Don't forget, Ronald Reagan is from California and was CA Governor.

Now the pendulum swung too far to the left, well, it's time for it to start swinging back.

[ex-Texan]

Glad you mentioned that illegal California state tax. It is un-Constitutional. I had a client who wanted to fight it, and I advised him to fight it. But first he had to move out of state -- before he could raise the issue.

Heard through the 'grapevine' that he won.

Now the bad news: You have to be in another state in order to win the taxation battle. Before you start getting your pension. Think about that for a minute. You have to move, or they will tax you to death. (N.B. Washington State has no state income tax).

Your point about the weather. Yeah, I know all about the weather. There was an article in a psychology journal a few years back. Think you might look it up on the Internet. The shrink had a theory that one of the reasons so many crazies end up in California: They think their depression will vanish if they could live in the sun all the time.

I am not joking. I read the article myself.

Now the big secret: California will run out of water pretty soon. The whole state is drying up. Don't tell anybody. But the weather is shifting, and el Nino is coming back worse next year. And again, and again ...

Southern California is naturally -- just a huge, very vast desert -- just like Baja. If you don't understand that, take a drive from La La Land going East ... What do you see? The future.

Adios.