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Archaeology Paper Reports Meaning Of Indian River Names
Monterey Herald ^ | 3-10-2003 | Ernest Herndon

Posted on 03/11/2003 4:25:49 PM PST by blam

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To: blam
Iroquois Confederacy

41 posted on 03/11/2003 9:51:33 PM PST by Consort
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Doesn't Seattle mean 48 degrees and raining?

No, Seattle was originally "Sealth" which means "Run for your lives!! A big yellow hot thing has appeared in the sky!!!"

42 posted on 03/11/2003 11:16:12 PM PST by Ramius
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To: Black Agnes
Very interesting.

Learned a lot here....I know all these places of course but I didn't know all the definitions.

Thanks.
43 posted on 03/12/2003 9:14:53 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: Black Agnes
pong!
44 posted on 03/12/2003 10:38:29 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. : Thomas Jefferson 1774)
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To: blam
and Tippecanoe still means, tippy canoe.
45 posted on 03/12/2003 10:40:34 AM PST by seams2me ("if they pass the reading test, it means they learned to read" GWB 1/8/03)
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To: blam; tubebender
Lol. Not a word about Billy Joe. (Some, to this day, say he faked the jump.

Tin foil alert! Billy Joe was pushed!

46 posted on 03/12/2003 10:48:06 AM PST by asformeandformyhouse
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To: asformeandformyhouse
"Tin foil alert! Billy Joe was pushed!"

I heard that rumor at the Harper Valley PTA meeting.

47 posted on 03/12/2003 11:17:47 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
I heard that rumor at the Harper Valley PTA meeting.

That wasn't your mother was it?

48 posted on 03/12/2003 11:37:53 AM PST by asformeandformyhouse
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Not a ping, just a GGG update.
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on, off, or alter the "Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list --
Archaeology/Anthropology/Ancient Cultures/Artifacts/Antiquities, etc.
The GGG Digest
-- Gods, Graves, Glyphs (alpha order)

49 posted on 03/30/2005 10:45:57 PM PST by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Friday, March 25, 2005.)
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To: Michael.SF.

What business is it of yours if I did or did not use any federal grant money in my research?-Chris McPhail


50 posted on 02/21/2006 12:56:39 PM PST by MissipRivers
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To: blam

Just a few corrections:

Alabama: Muskogean (Choctaw/Chickasaw dia.) "alua'balama', ceremonial rock which served as an alter where incense was burned. Also the name of a group of Choctaw-speaking people who lived in Mississippi in the early 18th century.

Kentucky: Muskogean (Choctaw/Chickasaw dia.) 'Kain'tatok' Place of hanging grapes (muscodines) 'ee' was added to the end of the word for the sake of euphony.

Ohio: Muskcogean (Choctaw/Chickasaw) Originally translated by the French in the 18th century as "Woman's River" or "Riveriera de Belles". This is an easy mistake. In Choctaw woman is 'ohoyo'. The true intent of the place-name is the Choctaw "oh'hiya" which means place of hunting. The name actually did not apply to the Ohio River itself but to present-day Kentucky which was an Indian free-for-all hunting ground that was recognized by all tribes as owned by none and shared by all. The Choctaw name for the Ohio River according to the only source I could locate was 'Managuahala' "ma'na kawa'whaythla". Ma is a locative, there or here. Na is a negative meaning no, non, none, never. Kawa means broken. Whaythla means to dance. "Here united (together)we dance". The northern portion of this river above Pittsburg is still called Monongahela which is the same word/different spelling.

Pensacola: Muscogean (Choc/Chick dia.) Pens is a corruption of puska, 'bread', and ocala is the same as okla in Oklahoma, meaning nation or people. Thus Pensacola means simply People Having Bread or "Bread People".

Tennessee: Choctaw/Chickasaw contraction for the longer tombi tenakbi hutcha chito. Meaning: River of the big white bend (sandbars). It is definitely NOT Iroquoian (Cherokee).

Arkansas: Choctaw/Chickasaw- a French corruption of "ark'a(n)sha, hickory nuts down low or on the ground.

Mississippi: Choctaw original was Mishi sipokni'sipi hatcha. Contracted to Mishi'sipi it means old, very old. The rivers were thought to widen as they aged and since the Mississippi River is subsantially wide south of Cairo Illinois it was thus named. Since it does not contain the sex indicative 'tek' it is assumed to be masculine. Thus the translation to English would be "male river extremely old".


51 posted on 02/21/2006 1:40:06 PM PST by MissipRivers
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To: MissipRivers
What business is it of yours if I did or did not use any federal grant money in my research?-Chris McPhail

Well, Chris, since you asked:

I am a taxpayer. When you spend tax dollars, you are in essence spending my money. If my money is used, and is used w/o my permission, I believe that I have a right to voice my opinion regarding the spending of my money.

Without commenting on the importance of your work, I do feel I am justified on questioning if it is a fair and reasonable use of tax dollars.

52 posted on 02/21/2006 1:57:12 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Things turn out best, for who make the best of the way things turn out.--- Jack Buck (RIP))
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To: MissipRivers

PS: Welcome to Free Republic.


53 posted on 02/21/2006 2:00:36 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Things turn out best, for who make the best of the way things turn out.--- Jack Buck (RIP))
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To: aposiopetic

Ping re: previous discussion

Unfortunately the Kanawha River doesn't seem to be listed in the linked PDF.


54 posted on 02/21/2006 2:42:41 PM PST by kanawa (It won't be PC and it won't be pretty but it can be done)
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To: MissipRivers; aposiopetic

Hey, nice of you to drop in! Welcome to FR.

Maybe you could answer aposiopetic's question about the meaning of "Kanawha" a river name in West Virginia(?).


55 posted on 02/21/2006 2:53:52 PM PST by kanawa (It won't be PC and it won't be pretty but it can be done)
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To: kanawa

Thanks for the ping. Yes, I am still interested in the origin of the name and its meaning.


56 posted on 02/21/2006 3:01:16 PM PST by aposiopetic
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To: MissipRivers

Thanks and welcome aboard.


57 posted on 02/21/2006 3:15:25 PM PST by blam
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To: Michael.SF.

In order to show to you how insignificant your opinion or cares are to me I won't divulge to you how much or, if any, grant money was used. I'm a taxpayer too, you self-righteous ass. And I served this country with six years of my life in the U.S. Marine Corps. Who the hell are you to make a statement as you did about me or my research? You speak of options, well this is your only true one: If you don't like it then don't read it, got it? And to all of the other nice people reading this, I sincerely apologize for lowering myself to Michael's level and that you had to hear this from me. I just cannot stand rude people and won't tolerate it. I would be happy and honored to help/answer any questions that I may be able to regarding Indian place-name research. My expertise is humble but whatever I have I will gladly share with anyone interested.


58 posted on 02/23/2006 2:43:05 PM PST by MissipRivers
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To: kanawa

I'm working on it right now, -Chris


59 posted on 02/23/2006 2:45:03 PM PST by MissipRivers
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To: MissipRivers
In order to show to you how insignificant your opinion or cares are to me

ROFLMAO.

So three years after I made a rather innocent comment that the work done in putting together this research was not something that government dollars should be used for, you decided to dredge this up, ask me a question and then harangue me for saying I could give a rats ass what some shit hole river in bumsuck, Mississippi is named for or what it means?

Pal, you are both overly sensitive and an unfortunate drain on taxpayers.

Now go back to sucking off the government teat down in Choctaw, Mississippi.

Oh, btw, thanks for your service in Marines, at least you have done some good in life.

60 posted on 02/23/2006 3:40:26 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Things turn out best, for those who make the best of the way things turn out.--- Jack Buck (RIP))
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