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American Bishop Bars Faithful from War Effort
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| March 18, 2003
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Posted on 03/18/2003 4:56:14 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Almondjoy
To: Canticle_of_Deborah
"American Bishop Bars Faithful from War Effort"
However if you bring him a 10 year old virgin boy, he'll let you go to war.<sick, warped priest molesting sarcasm off
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posted on
03/18/2003 10:09:03 PM PST
by
Beck_isright
(A good battle plan that you act on today can be better than a perfect one tomorrow. - Gen. Patton)
To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Sure, if you stick your thing inside a little altar boy's butt, that's A-OK. But want to remove a murderous tyrant from power....that is against the will of God!!!!
To: looney tune
Not exactly. He is saying that if you are in the military and follow orders in execution of this war, OR if you are a civilian and support it, you are going to hell. I never even heard John Paul utter such lunacy.
To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Benedictus Dominus Deus meus qui docet manus meas ad proelium digitos meos ad bellum
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posted on
03/18/2003 10:37:31 PM PST
by
Theophilus
(ostentation is my forte)
To: vaudine
A military obligation carried out is giving caesar or the govt its due.That's a sound principle, as far as it goes. But it doesn't answer the question about a PARTICULAR war. If the bishop were correct that this is an unjust war, then he would be correct to instruct his people that they must not participate in it. In that case, "render unto Caesar" would be irrelevant. Caesar has no right to demand that the citizen do anything that is immoral.
As it is, the bishop is correct regarding the moral principles he discusses. He's just wrong about this war. It is not an unjust war of aggression.
To: Theophilus
ostentation is my forte"Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them; for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. "Thus, when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your alms may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you. "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Bump
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posted on
03/18/2003 11:26:12 PM PST
by
Kay Soze
(France - "The country where the worms live above ground")
To: Mr. Lucky
Meaning, of course, that pedophilia and abortion aren't of sufficient gravity to warrant his attention. Yup. Sad. This bishop is clearly exercising his fallible judgement.
To: G Larry
Romanian NOT Roman!!!!! Nothing to do with the rest of us!
We all belong to the Catholic (Universal) Church. There are about 30 Rites within the Church. The most common Rite in the US is the Roman Rite or Roman Catholic Church.
To: pgkdan
I guess he did not hear Tony Blair last night, when Tony Blair related the story of the man who disagreed with Saddam.
He was tied up to a pole, had his tongue cut out, mulitated and left to bleed to death as an example for others who would disagree with him
I am Catholic and as the Holy Father said we must answer to God for our actions.
Fair enought I can live and die with my belief that this is a just and moral war.
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posted on
03/19/2003 4:30:51 AM PST
by
mware
To: apackof2
One of the many reasons (other than Scriptural) that I am not a Catholic anymore Read your Bible.
1 Timothy 3:15
if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth. John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Matthew 18:17
If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
To: dighton; aculeus; Chancellor Palpatine; general_re; L,TOWM; Cultural Jihad; nickcarraway; All
"Each bishop must stand before the Cross and discern what the truth of Jesus Christ is on this situation for himself as bishop and for those souls specifically given to him for their sanctification and eternal salvation. No bishop can bind in conscience Catholics of another dioceseexcept for the Bishop of Rome or all bishops formally gathered in an Ecumenical Council."So, am I correct in reading this that, if you're a Catholic, you surrender the determination of your will and your soul to the determination of your bishop? Simply because I live in one city and the bishop determines that I am going to Hell because I serve in the 2nd Gulf War, while, in another city, a different bishop determines that I won't?
What happened to your free will, people? What happens to taking responsibility for your own soul, to being willing to make a decision based on your faith, intelligence, and God-given talents and facing God when your time has come and giving an account of yourself for yourself?
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posted on
03/19/2003 4:40:46 AM PST
by
BlueLancer
(Der Elite Møøsenspåånkængruppen ØberKømmååndø (EMØØK))
To: griffin
"Catholic moral theology"Hmmm. What ever happened to Jesus?
The question, "What ever happened to Jesus?," is moral theology.
To: Canticle_of_Deborah
This is the BYZANTINE-RITE ROMANIAN Church....I'm a cradle Catholic and have NEVER heard of this branch. It;s not Roman Catholic.
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posted on
03/19/2003 4:43:35 AM PST
by
Claire Voyant
((visualize whirled peas))
To: griffin
Or do you subscribe to the idea that, as the last Priest I spoke to stated, "This personal relationship with Christ thing is very much over-blown by evangelicals". Where is "a personal relationship with Christ" in the Bible?
To: Centurion2000
This is NOT a Roman Catholic....most Catholics have never heard of this Byzantine-rite Romaninan sect.
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posted on
03/19/2003 4:45:18 AM PST
by
Claire Voyant
((visualize whirled peas))
To: Canticle_of_Deborah
An American Catholic bishop has forbidden his flock from participating or cooperating in military action against Iraq,
Should anybody really be surprised at this?
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posted on
03/19/2003 4:47:06 AM PST
by
BSunday
(Remove the Butcher from Baghdad and the DemonRats from Congress)
To: Arthur McGowan
Are you Roman Catholic? This Bishop is NOT Roman Catholic.
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posted on
03/19/2003 4:47:09 AM PST
by
Claire Voyant
((visualize whirled peas))
To: MonroeDNA
I left the Catholic church when my best friend shot himself in the forehead while cleaning a .22 rifle. He was an alter boy.
The head priest was doing alter boys.
That's tragic, but no reason to leave the Church. Fathers sometimes rape their sons and daughters, but that doesn't mean we should abandon fatherhood. Remember Judas.
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