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American Bishop Bars Faithful from War Effort
Catholic World News ^ | March 18, 2003 | staff

Posted on 03/18/2003 4:56:14 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah

CANTON, Mar 18, 03 (CWNews.com) -- An American Catholic bishop has forbidden his flock from participating or cooperating in military action against Iraq, under pain of mortal sin. Bishop John Michael Botean, the head of the Romanian Catholic eparchy (diocese) of St. George in Canton, Ohio-- which has jurisdiction over all Byzantine-rite Romanian Catholics living in the US-- invoked the full measure of his authority in a Lenten Letter to his people. The bishop declared with "moral certainty" that the proposed attack on Iraq "does not meet even the minimal standards of the Catholic just-war theory."

The bishop announced that he "must declare to you, my people, for the sake of your salvation as well as my own, that any direct participation and support of this war against the people of Iraq is objectively grave evil, a matter of mortal sin."

Bishop Botean acknowledged that the Catechism of the Catholic Church (2309) identifies public authorities as the final judges of whether military action is justified. But he argued that "the nation-state is never the final arbiter or authority for the Catholic of what is moral." An unjust law or order should not be obeyed, he observed.

Writing with obvious emotion, the Romanian Catholic prelate admitted that "I would much prefer to keep silent." And he pointed out to his people: "Never before have I spoken to you in this manner, explicitly exercising the fullness of authority Jesus Christ has given his apostles." However, he said, he felt a moral burden to guide his people.

Arguing that a military assault on Iraq does not fit the criteria of the just-war tradition, Bishop Botean concluded in stark terms: "Thus, any killing associated with it is unjustified and, in consequence, unequivocally murder."


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To: Almondjoy
Jewish praise for Pope Pius XII.

http://www.ewtn.com/library/issues/pius12gs.htm
201 posted on 03/18/2003 10:08:25 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
"American Bishop Bars Faithful from War Effort"

However if you bring him a 10 year old virgin boy, he'll let you go to war.<sick, warped priest molesting sarcasm off
202 posted on 03/18/2003 10:09:03 PM PST by Beck_isright (A good battle plan that you act on today can be better than a perfect one tomorrow. - Gen. Patton)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Sure, if you stick your thing inside a little altar boy's butt, that's A-OK. But want to remove a murderous tyrant from power....that is against the will of God!!!!
203 posted on 03/18/2003 10:15:47 PM PST by montag813
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To: looney tune
Not exactly. He is saying that if you are in the military and follow orders in execution of this war, OR if you are a civilian and support it, you are going to hell. I never even heard John Paul utter such lunacy.
204 posted on 03/18/2003 10:34:24 PM PST by Nevermore
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Benedictus Dominus Deus meus qui docet manus meas ad proelium digitos meos ad bellum
205 posted on 03/18/2003 10:37:31 PM PST by Theophilus (ostentation is my forte)
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To: vaudine
A military obligation carried out is giving caesar or the govt its due.

That's a sound principle, as far as it goes. But it doesn't answer the question about a PARTICULAR war. If the bishop were correct that this is an unjust war, then he would be correct to instruct his people that they must not participate in it. In that case, "render unto Caesar" would be irrelevant. Caesar has no right to demand that the citizen do anything that is immoral.

As it is, the bishop is correct regarding the moral principles he discusses. He's just wrong about this war. It is not an unjust war of aggression.

206 posted on 03/18/2003 10:45:12 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Theophilus
ostentation is my forte

"Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them; for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. "Thus, when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your alms may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you. "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

207 posted on 03/18/2003 11:05:38 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Bump
208 posted on 03/18/2003 11:26:12 PM PST by Kay Soze (France - "The country where the worms live above ground")
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To: Mr. Lucky
Meaning, of course, that pedophilia and abortion aren't of sufficient gravity to warrant his attention.

Yup. Sad. This bishop is clearly exercising his fallible judgement.

209 posted on 03/19/2003 4:22:11 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: G Larry
Romanian NOT Roman!!!!!

Nothing to do with the rest of us!

We all belong to the Catholic (Universal) Church. There are about 30 Rites within the Church. The most common Rite in the US is the Roman Rite or Roman Catholic Church.

210 posted on 03/19/2003 4:26:33 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: pgkdan
I guess he did not hear Tony Blair last night, when Tony Blair related the story of the man who disagreed with Saddam.

He was tied up to a pole, had his tongue cut out, mulitated and left to bleed to death as an example for others who would disagree with him

I am Catholic and as the Holy Father said we must answer to God for our actions.

Fair enought I can live and die with my belief that this is a just and moral war.

211 posted on 03/19/2003 4:30:51 AM PST by mware
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To: apackof2
One of the many reasons (other than Scriptural) that I am not a Catholic anymore

Read your Bible.

1 Timothy 3:15
if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Matthew 18:17
If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.


212 posted on 03/19/2003 4:36:09 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: dighton; aculeus; Chancellor Palpatine; general_re; L,TOWM; Cultural Jihad; nickcarraway; All
"Each bishop must stand before the Cross and discern what the truth of Jesus Christ is on this situation for himself as bishop and for those souls specifically given to him for their sanctification and eternal salvation. No bishop can bind in conscience Catholics of another diocese—except for the Bishop of Rome or all bishops formally gathered in an Ecumenical Council."

So, am I correct in reading this that, if you're a Catholic, you surrender the determination of your will and your soul to the determination of your bishop? Simply because I live in one city and the bishop determines that I am going to Hell because I serve in the 2nd Gulf War, while, in another city, a different bishop determines that I won't?

What happened to your free will, people? What happens to taking responsibility for your own soul, to being willing to make a decision based on your faith, intelligence, and God-given talents and facing God when your time has come and giving an account of yourself for yourself?

213 posted on 03/19/2003 4:40:46 AM PST by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsenspåånkængruppen ØberKømmååndø (EMØØK))
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To: griffin
"Catholic moral theology"

Hmmm. What ever happened to Jesus?

The question, "What ever happened to Jesus?," is moral theology.

214 posted on 03/19/2003 4:41:29 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
This is the BYZANTINE-RITE ROMANIAN Church....I'm a cradle Catholic and have NEVER heard of this branch. It;s not Roman Catholic.
215 posted on 03/19/2003 4:43:35 AM PST by Claire Voyant ((visualize whirled peas))
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To: griffin
Or do you subscribe to the idea that, as the last Priest I spoke to stated, "This personal relationship with Christ thing is very much over-blown by evangelicals".

Where is "a personal relationship with Christ" in the Bible?

216 posted on 03/19/2003 4:43:51 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: Centurion2000
This is NOT a Roman Catholic....most Catholics have never heard of this Byzantine-rite Romaninan sect.
217 posted on 03/19/2003 4:45:18 AM PST by Claire Voyant ((visualize whirled peas))
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
An American Catholic bishop has forbidden his flock from participating or cooperating in military action against Iraq,

Should anybody really be surprised at this?

218 posted on 03/19/2003 4:47:06 AM PST by BSunday (Remove the Butcher from Baghdad and the DemonRats from Congress)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Are you Roman Catholic? This Bishop is NOT Roman Catholic.
219 posted on 03/19/2003 4:47:09 AM PST by Claire Voyant ((visualize whirled peas))
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To: MonroeDNA
I left the Catholic church when my best friend shot himself in the forehead while cleaning a .22 rifle.

He was an alter boy.

The head priest was doing alter boys.

That's tragic, but no reason to leave the Church. Fathers sometimes rape their sons and daughters, but that doesn't mean we should abandon fatherhood. Remember Judas.

220 posted on 03/19/2003 4:47:38 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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