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Did translator shortage backfire? Inadequate preparation of Arabic-language interrogators
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | March 22, 2003, 11:00 p.m. | WorldNetDaily.com

Posted on 03/22/2003 11:59:32 PM PST by Salvation

Did translator shortage backfire?
WND exposed inadequate preparation of Arabic-language interrogators


Posted: March 22, 2003
11:00 p.m. Eastern


© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

As two Kuwaiti Arabic translators are held along with an American Muslim sergeant in the fragging attack at Camp Pennsylvania, questions are being raised about the Army's heavy reliance on local translators rather than qualified U.S. military Arabic speakers and interrogators.

Back in September, WorldNetDaily first blew the whistle on the shortage of trained U.S. military translators and Arabic interrogators. Sources close to the preparations for a U.S. invasion of Iraq were concerned even last fall about what they perceived to be the military's inadequate preparation and shortage of Arabic-language interrogators – a critical component not only of a battlefield victory but a nation-building operation afterwards.

"There is a severe lack of experienced interrogators taking part in current operations to start with," said one source. "Many of those designated as interrogators are reservists with little or no experience. Others are civilian law-enforcement personnel whose experience is in extracting confessions rather than strategic information."

In addition, the latest issue of Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin reports again on how the translator shortage can hurt security.

"The U.S. military forces in Iraq are critically short of two resources – military police for guarding prisoners and Arabic-speaking interrogators to grill them," G2 Bulletin reported earlier today. "Even in the earliest planning stages of the Iraq campaign, U.S. Central Command expected huge numbers of surrenders would overwhelm the ability of MPs to handle them and prevent thorough interrogation of those captured. Rather than scramble to fix the problem, U.S. brass simply downgraded the official estimates of prisoners to fit the number of U.S. personnel available to handle them, according to G2B sources."

In earlier G2 Bulletin reports, sources warned about the use of Kuwaiti translators because of their questionable loyalties.

"The reason why we don't even have a whole bunch translators hired yet is because of loyalty issues," explained one source. "Another reason we can't hire more is because so many cannot get security clearances because of family ties to terrorists, Iraqis and sympathizers of one form or another."

G2 Bulletin reported the situation for linguists was so desperate before the start of the war "that CENTCOM personnel are trying to get Kuwaiti soldiers to act as interpreters. Some insiders believe this to be a mistake because so many Kuwaitis are very sympathetic to Iraq."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antiamerican; fifthcolumn; fifthcolumnists; injured; iraqi; islam; islammeanspeace; killed; kuwaiti; linguists; muslim; religionofpeace; religionofpeacetm; sabotage; saboteur; translators; troops; unamerican
Some interesting facts here, folks.
1 posted on 03/22/2003 11:59:32 PM PST by Salvation
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To: All
BTTT!

**"The U.S. military forces in Iraq are critically short of two resources – military police for guarding prisoners and Arabic-speaking interrogators to grill them," G2 Bulletin reported earlier today.**

Military police
Arabic speaking interrogators

Hmmmmmm. Was a short cut the way to go here?
2 posted on 03/23/2003 12:02:06 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
The training center for interpretors is in Monterey.

I would love to do it, just so I could confuse all the Arabs that "Zionist Entity" really means "Camel Balls." However, I was told they need people under 30 and you had to go the whole round of Army basic (6 months?) before sitting in one class.
3 posted on 03/23/2003 12:05:55 AM PST by sf4dubya (help. i'm surrounded by liberals.)
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To: Salvation
Kuwaiti Arabic translators are held along with an American Muslim sergeant in the fragging attack at Camp Pennsylvania

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I'll repeat what I said a year and a half ago. In this entire senario, Islam trumps everything else.

4 posted on 03/23/2003 12:07:48 AM PST by RLK
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To: Salvation
Mark my words: if this becomes a topic of conversation on the big three nets (especially ABC), they will trace this to the dismissal a few months back of two homosexual interpreters who "told."
5 posted on 03/23/2003 12:13:24 AM PST by L.N. Smithee (FLASH! Chrissie Hynde leads PETA protestors as human shields at poultry farm!)
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To: sf4dubya
>>you had to go the whole round of Army basic (6 months?) before sitting in one class.<<

It wouldn't surprise me if translators didn't actually go through "basic light" before heading for the Presidio.
6 posted on 03/23/2003 12:17:08 AM PST by Jeff Chandler ( ;)
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To: L.N. Smithee
This is discouraging.
7 posted on 03/23/2003 12:17:53 AM PST by lainde
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To: L.N. Smithee
>>they will trace this to the dismissal a few months back of two homosexual interpreters who "told."<<

Question: Told what?

Answer: Don't ask!
8 posted on 03/23/2003 12:18:37 AM PST by Jeff Chandler ( ;)
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To: sf4dubya
Oh, wow! I attended DLI at the Presidio twenty-three years ago.

Most people are not aware how difficult the security clearance and military training can actually be and the language training, no walk in the park, is intense. The Korean language labs used to have a small hand printed sign on the door: "Insane Asylum".

9 posted on 03/23/2003 12:19:06 AM PST by goody2shooz
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To: Salvation
Muslim-American soldier
detained in Kuwait attack

15 troops injured, 1 dead, in grenade assault Pentagon calls 'inside job'

Posted: March 22, 2003
8:51 p.m. Eastern


© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

A U.S. soldier being described as a Muslim is now in custody for alleged complicity in the grenade and small-arms attack on members of the U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division encamped in Northern Kuwait, which injured 16 soldiers, one of whom has died.

Several others were injured seriously, and three are in surgery.

In addition, two Kuwaitis who had served a translators are being held for questioning, according to CBS News correspondent Mark Strassmann, who is imbedded with the 101st.

Strassmann reported that the grenades were rolled into two commanders' tents. When officers ran from their tents, they were hit by small arms fire, he said.

In an initial statement, George Heath, 101st spokesman at home base Fort Campbell, said: "From our reports it appears that a terrorist penetrated Camp Pennsylvania, one or more terrorists threw two hand grenades into a tent."

But soon it became apparent that the attack was, as the Pentagon now says, an "inside job." After a roll call revealed that one soldier was missing on base, he was eventially found hiding. The soldier implicated was reportedly in charge of grenades, according to MSNBC.

Time reporter Jim Lacey told ABC News that he talked to an eyewitness at the rear base camp who said that grenades were rolled into a tents that housed the leaders of the brigadier unit. A "terrorist," the witness told Lacey, shot the first two people who exited the tent. Sky News reports that a third grendade was rolled into a third tent housing officers, but that it did not explode.

Camp Pennsylvania was named to honor of the victims of plane that crashed in Pennsylvania during the Sept. 11 attacks. The camp, located approximately 20-30 miles south of the Iraqi border, is surrounded by large berms and guarded by armed soldiers, with others in observation posts watching the desert. The camp is also home to Patriot missile batteries.

The U.S. soldier implicated is currently being questioned, and U.S. authorities are tight-lipped about characterizing his possible involvement.

Stuart Ramsay, a reporter with Sky News, says the Muslim soldier had become a concern to his commanding officers.

"In recent days they were concerned about his behavior and were not going to send him up to the front when the soldiers were going to be deployed," Ramsay said.

It is not clear whether the soldier, who Ramsay said would have been in the Gulf for some weeks, had planned the attack before being deployed.

"Talking to other soldiers, it could be that he was disgruntled," Ramsay said. "They said he had been acting 'weird' for days."

Lacey, the Time magazine reporter imbedded with the 101st, was in the tent next to the two tents that were the object of the grenade attack. In a phone interview, he told Fox News that the soldier responsible has an "Arabic-sounding" last name. Asked what his explanation of the perpetrator's motives, he said he believed "it was part of his misguided interpretation of his Muslim faith."

10 posted on 03/23/2003 12:19:27 AM PST by Happy2BMe (HOLLYWOOD:Ask not what U can do for your country, ask what U can do for Iraq!)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Yes they do go basic training. I witnessed several snake eaters doing one-armed push-ups every week day morning.
11 posted on 03/23/2003 12:20:48 AM PST by goody2shooz
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To: Salvation
My Lebanese wife, who is an expert translator and interpreter for the courts here in Georgia tried her best to get on with the military for this mission, but she didn't hear anything back from them. She is Christian, and married to my Georgia redneck self!! This is unbelievable to me.
12 posted on 03/23/2003 12:24:45 AM PST by GaConfed
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To: goody2shooz
Yeah, I know. Unfortunately, the trade-off wouldn't be beneficial for me or whoever I went through basic with. The private sector offered more opportunity, but this route, I pay for my training.
13 posted on 03/23/2003 12:25:21 AM PST by sf4dubya (help. i'm surrounded by liberals.)
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To: goody2shooz
>>Most people are not aware how difficult the security clearance and military training can actually be >>

A guy I went to school with went there almost 30 years ago. He started out with a Scope 5 clearance, whatever that is. An Army Intelligence agent came around to ask me about him. About five years later, another guy came around to ask about him, but he wasn't military. A friend who was also questioned said he thought the guy was with the NSA.
14 posted on 03/23/2003 12:25:37 AM PST by Jeff Chandler ( ;)
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To: GaConfed
They were overloaded with volunteers after 9-11, when they made the call. I didn't hear back from them until 6 months later.
15 posted on 03/23/2003 12:26:10 AM PST by sf4dubya (help. i'm surrounded by liberals.)
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To: Salvation
What is Taqiyah?

He who disbelieves in Allah after his belief in Him, (is the liar) except he who is compelled while his heart remains steadfast with the faith (has nothing worry). But who opens his breast for infidelity; on these is wrath of Allah, and for them is a great torment.
--Qur’an, Surah 16 (an&#8209;Nahl), verse 100

This verse of the Qur’an refers to the incident when 'Ammar bin Yasir (May Allah be pleased with both) had to utter some words against Islam to save himself from the Quraishite infidels.

The Qur'an clearly allows hiding one 's true faith when one is in danger of one's life. This rule is called taqiyah.

Question 1: What is the meaning of "Taqiyah"?
Answer: Its literal meaning is to safeguard; to defend; to fear; piety (because it saves one from the displeasure of Allah).

Question 2: What is its significance in Islamic termi­nology?
Answer: In Islamic terminology it means "to save life, honour. or property (either one's own or of other be­lievers) by hiding one's belief or religion".

I imagine the same rule would apply for a Muslim who hides his jihad sympathies.

16 posted on 03/23/2003 12:31:49 AM PST by Dajjal
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To: sf4dubya
They were overloaded with volunteers after 9-11, when they made the call. Yes, we knew a lot of those "volunteers" you're talking about. About 90% of them spoke Arabic and some rudimentary English and thus claimed to be interpreters. I think one of the main problems here is the emphasis on citizenship. Don't know why my wife got the cold shoulder, but if they are that short of interpreters they need to look at all applicants on a case by case basis. She doens't have citizenship yet,but does have a green card and her background and that of her family is impeccable.
17 posted on 03/23/2003 12:36:03 AM PST by GaConfed
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To: goody2shooz
**the language training, no walk in the park, is intense.**

This is what I would expect.
18 posted on 03/23/2003 12:38:31 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
"Some interesting facts here, folks. "

But so self-serving.

19 posted on 03/23/2003 1:10:57 AM PST by NetValue (You betcha Iraq was "involved" in 9/11 and the anthrax mailings)
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To: NetValue
Precisely.

Is it just me, or are people around here mighty anxious to jump all over stuff like this.
20 posted on 03/23/2003 1:14:20 AM PST by Howlin
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To: RLK
Line them up and shoot them at dawn before the entire division.
21 posted on 03/23/2003 1:36:52 AM PST by Mortimer Snavely (Is anyone else tired of reading these tag lines?)
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To: Salvation
I graduated Monterey in 1982 in Russian. I remember I played a round of golf with a Naval Officer one day who was taking Arabic---I remember him saying that they decline the numbers differently from the 30's, to 40's, to 50's, etc---it sounded like a real headache.

They also had the psychiatric clinic right outside the window of my barracks apartment. I never went there but the schedule was quite stringent: 7 AM formation, class 0800-1500, PFT 1530-1700, then you had to study 3 hours per nite or you'd really be in trouble!

22 posted on 03/23/2003 1:54:19 AM PST by Born on the Storm King
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To: RLK
>>In this entire senario, Islam trumps everything else.

I really, really hope that you are wrong. And really, really think that you are right.

The "nation building" in Iraq could be extremely ugly, especially if we do not have the sense and guts to put down any hint of extremist Islam with extreme prejudice.
23 posted on 03/23/2003 1:57:46 AM PST by FreedomPoster (This Space Intentionally Blank)
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To: Born on the Storm King
**They also had the psychiatric clinic right outside the window of my barracks apartment.**

BTTT!
24 posted on 03/23/2003 8:11:07 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: FreedomPoster
The "nation building" in Iraq could be extremely ugly, especially if we do not have the sense and guts to put down any hint of extremist Islam with extreme prejudice.

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There will not be any nation building in Iraq. The entire area is populated by nuthouse people and nuthouse religions. About 20 years ago Iran and Iraq were involved in a 10 year long war over nothing in which they killed off 50% of the male population of a generation. That's what is to be expected in the area.

What needs to be done is let them kill of each other, but establish the principle that if they leave their territory and mess with us, they'll get a bunker bomb on their heads. This war will be an act of genius if it inspires fear in the rest of the world so that a disapproving word of warning toward the world idiots will cause them to pee in their pants. If this direction is not pursued, it will all be for naught beyond another Bush strutting around thumping his chest for a few months. North Korea needs their missile sites destroyed next.

25 posted on 03/23/2003 10:21:31 AM PST by RLK
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To: RLK
Bumping again!
26 posted on 03/23/2003 1:22:01 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: RLK
**What needs to be done is let them kill of each other, but establish the principle that if they leave their territory and mess with us, they'll get a bunker bomb on their heads**

Bear repeating.
27 posted on 03/23/2003 1:23:02 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
I work with a young woman who is American-born but of Egyptian Muslim descent and fluent in Arabic. She told me that she (and others in her family) tried to work as translators for the government since 9-11 but were told that the response of the Arab-American community was so large, they had too many people as volunteers: thanks but no thanks.

So go figure...

28 posted on 03/23/2003 1:47:36 PM PST by Pharmboy (Dems lie 'cause they have to)
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To: RLK
"The entire area is populated by nuthouse people and nuthouse religions....... This war will be an act of genius if it inspires fear in the rest of the world so that a disapproving word of warning toward the world idiots will cause them to pee in their pants."

Like Eglin noted regarding Imperial China, nothing persuades like brute strength; nothing succeeds like the fait accompli.

29 posted on 03/23/2003 11:19:07 PM PST by Mortimer Snavely (Is anyone else tired of reading these tag lines?)
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