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British bodies lie in dust as mob exults
The Times ^ | March 27, 2003 | David Charter and Alan Hamilton

Posted on 03/26/2003 3:32:49 PM PST by MadIvan

THE images are gruesome, and calculated to cause the utmost distress. Two dead and bloodstained soldiers in unmarked desert fatigues lie side by side on a dusty road. For a while yesterday there was doubt about their identity or even whether they were genuine coalition casualties. Now we know; they are British.

Al-Jazeera, the Qatar-based television station, repeatedly showed yesterday afternoon a 30-second sequence which no one here will wish to see. The station said the pictures were recorded on Tuesday in al-Zubayr, near Basra.

British sources in Qatar said last night that the footage showed the bodies of two soldiers attached to the Desert Rats missing in action since their Land Rover was ambushed by Iraqi forces on Sunday. The footage brought immediate condemnation from British commanders and politicians, and tears to the eyes of the dead men’s comrades in the Gulf who saw it.

Relatives of the two men were being informed that their status was being changed to “missing believed killed” pending formal identification.

In the same brief sequence the Arab-language satellite channel showed images of two hostages looking sombre and uncomfortable. Both men were black, one in his 40s and the other much younger and wearing dreadlocks. Behind them a group of animated Iraqis held up fingers in V-for-victory signs.

Unlike Sunday’s al-Jazeera footage taken from Iraqi state television which claimed to show a group of American prisoners-of-war, there was this time no audio, no attempt to push a microphone in the men’s faces and question them.

Their voices were not heard, and their clothes betrayed no identity. UK National Contingent HQ do not believe the two hostages are British.

Al-Jazeera also showed shots of a crowd surrounding and dancing on an overturned Land Rover and its trailer with a British military numberplate. The station also showed pictures of what appeared to be a broken Phoenix spotter drone with RAF insignia, of the type used by the Royal Artillery to spot targets.

Senior British figures are furious at al-Jazeera’s decision to screen the pictures, particularly those of the dead men, which will be widely seen throughout the Arab world. A Ministry of Defence spokesman, describing it as a flagrant and disgraceful breach of the Geneva Convention, said: “We deplore the decision by al-Jazeera to broadcast such material and call upon them to desist immediately. We request all other media outlets not to become tools for Iraqi propaganda by rebroadcasting such material.”

Commanders are only too well aware of the damaging psychological effect such images can have if seen back home. They well remember, during the last Gulf War, the parading of the British pilots John Peters and John Nichol, looking extremely battered and bruised, on Iraqi television.

Other coalition pilots from Italy and the US were also seen during that conflict, forced to read out pro-Iraqi propaganda on Iraqi television.

But all will remember even more keenly the images from Somalia in 1993, when the corpses of US soldiers were dragged triumphantly through the streets of Mogadishu. It was not long after those deeply disturbing images had been seen in America that the troops were brought home.

Group Captain Al Lockwood, the British spokesman in Qatar, said: “Showing pictures of dead soldiers and prisoners of war on television contravenes the Geneva Convention and we believe (al-Jazeera)are being irresponsible by showing them.”

He admitted that the coalition had mistakenly allowed images of POWs to be filmed. “We had one or two mistakes early on in the campaign when enemy POWs were shown on UK networks. There has been a general consensus that it is a violation of the Geneva Convention, and they will no longer do it.”

Politicians also condemned the pictures of the dead men. A spokesman for Iain Duncan Smith, the Tory leader, said: “If it is confirmed that these two soldiers are British Service personnel we find it deeply repellent that any television station has chosen to parade their bodies.” Gerald Howarth, a Tory defence spokesman, said: “Iraq are brilliant at seeking to undermine the spirit of the coalition forces and if al-Jazeera has been aiding and abetting them it would be disgusting.”


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ambush; blair; bush; inmemoriam; iraq; iraqifreedom; saddam; squaddies; troops; uk; us; war
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Memo to Iraqi apologists: if you think you will intimidate us into leaving Iraq with such images, you will fail. The blood of the slain screams for vengeance, and that vengeance will be fulfilled.

Memo to Al Jazeera: the rude version of "go forth and multiply". I hope Tornado jets take out your filthy television station, post haste.

Regards, Ivan


In memoriam

1 posted on 03/26/2003 3:32:49 PM PST by MadIvan
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Bump!
2 posted on 03/26/2003 3:33:08 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Sincerest apologies from this American Ivan....

Your troops do your country proud...we are forever in your debt for this helping hand!!!
3 posted on 03/26/2003 3:34:46 PM PST by Neets (Mess with me and you'll be introduced to my big ole can of MOAB.)
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To: MadIvan
May God bless them and their families. God bless the Brits.
4 posted on 03/26/2003 3:35:07 PM PST by Fzob (Why does this tag line keep showing up?)
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To: MadIvan
I will say an extra prayer for the British families!
5 posted on 03/26/2003 3:37:39 PM PST by Arpege92
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To: MadIvan
I'm so sorry, MadIvan.

Mad RAT Patrol

6 posted on 03/26/2003 3:37:47 PM PST by RAT Patrol
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To: MadIvan
Methinks the Desert Rats aren't the kind of gents these bastards wanna be pissing off.
7 posted on 03/26/2003 3:37:59 PM PST by Morgan's Raider
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To: MadIvan
Sickening actions by the peaceful Muslims once more. Their decisions will cause the world to see them for what they truly are: vermin who need to be eradicated. We are only too glad to help in the cause, and forever grateful to the
British for fighting side by side with us.
9 posted on 03/26/2003 3:39:17 PM PST by zingzang
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To: MadIvan
One has to wonder about the psyche of people who exult in the humilation of dead bodies. These are sick people whose self-image is so pitiful, that they must exult in the death of others.
10 posted on 03/26/2003 3:42:48 PM PST by Mister Magoo
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To: MadIvan
Al-Jazeera News Reporters should be KICKED OUT of QATAR immediately.

At least KICK them out of the CENTCOM briefing, I heard Gen. Franks or the other General warn them in the news conference not to do that.

11 posted on 03/26/2003 3:42:56 PM PST by agincourt1415
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To: MadIvan
It was not long after those deeply disturbing images had been seen in America that the troops were brought home.

Thanks to the ever poll-conscious WJ Clintoon. That A-hole is more responsible for these images being broadcast than any single person.

14 posted on 03/26/2003 3:44:32 PM PST by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: MadIvan
But all will remember even more keenly the images from Somalia in 1993, when the corpses of US soldiers were dragged triumphantly through the streets of Mogadishu. It was not long after those deeply disturbing images had been seen in America that the troops were brought home.

Thats because it was Clintoon in the White House.

15 posted on 03/26/2003 3:46:20 PM PST by Frohickey
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To: MadIvan
How long are we going to continue this absurdity? We keep fighting according to Olympic Boxing Rules, and the other guy is slamming us in the balls. We ought to turn Al Jazeera into the History Channel, and stop worrying about whether some sensibilities are rattled when we create some hardships for civilians in Iraq.

What would Roosevelt do?

ML/NJ

16 posted on 03/26/2003 3:46:22 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: MadIvan
Sorry to hear about your boys, Ivan.
17 posted on 03/26/2003 3:46:51 PM PST by madison10
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But all will remember even more keenly the images from Somalia in 1993, when the corpses of US soldiers were dragged triumphantly through the streets of Mogadishu. It was not long after those deeply disturbing images had been seen in America that the troops were brought home.

Thank you Bill Clinton. Your cowardice and unwillingess to use force have encouraged our enemies to try the same tactic again. They believe that because it succeeded once with Bill Clinton, that these tactics will succeed agaisnt Bush and Blair and the coalition. If Clinton had acted with resove and force instead of worrying about the polls, there would be a chance POWs may he treated better if only because of fear we will retaliate in spades. That we now have a history of turning tail virtually guarantees that they will not be treated with respect.

It's time to make it obvious even to the Jazeera kool-aid drinkers that they won't win points by this sort of behavior.

18 posted on 03/26/2003 3:48:09 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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MadIvan,
I will not respond to the report of this atrocity in my preferred fashion as there are ladies on this board. I have full confidence that our British brothers-in-arms will inflict the proper payback. Take care.

SIC
19 posted on 03/26/2003 3:48:13 PM PST by SICSEMPERTYRANNUS (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: zingzang
"Sickening actions by the peaceful Muslims once more."

There is overwhelming evidence and documentation that Muslims are, in general, a rather brutish and barbaric lot. I believe it is because the Koran, or some of Mohammed's scribblings, said that in order for Islam to remain "pure," it cannot evolve or change in any way from its original tenets. Thus, as the world developed and matured, Islam remained locked in the 7th Century, where it exists to this day. Christianity, by contrast, had its bloodlust many centuries ago, but it grew out of it (save for a few very isolated lunatics).
20 posted on 03/26/2003 3:49:05 PM PST by ought-six
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