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Jewish lawmakers threaten walk-out over reference to Jesus
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | April 3, 2003 | Diana Lynne

Posted on 04/03/2003 6:25:58 PM PST by honway

A Maryland minister was barred from giving the opening prayer in the state Senate after he refused to drop a reference to Jesus.

The Rev. David N. Hughes of the Trinity and Evangelical Church of Adamstown, Md., intended to round out his invocation yesterday with the line, "In Jesus' name, Amen." But the sergeant at arms – on the orders of Senate President Thomas Mike Miller Jr. – shut the reverend out of the body's chambers.

Miller issued the orders after two Jewish lawmakers threatened to stage a boycott of the legislative session if the phrase was not removed.

"I'm shocked by the response. I've never had this happen in 26 years," Hughes told the Frederick News-Post. "It just makes me feel that they've taken away my right as an American to pray, and this is the seat of government, and that's scary."

The pastor – a Vietnam veteran – was invited to give the prayer by Republican Sen. Alex Mooney. Hughes was Mooney's fourth guest. The other three were Jewish rabbis.

Opening up legislative sessions with prayer is a longstanding tradition in Maryland, as it is in states across the country. Mooney told WorldNetDaily no one had been barred from giving an invocation before. He sees irony in yesterday's "censorship."

Maryland state Republican Rep. Alex Mooney

"We were the first state to address religious tolerance in our state charter," he told WorldNetDaily. "This just shows a lack of tolerance for peoples' religious views."

Mooney recalled numerous instances of invocations referencing Jesus throughout the four years that he has been in office.

But at the beginning of the session this year, a string of invocations by Baptist preachers invoking the name Jesus Christ sparked debate on the issue. Miller appealed to lawmakers for tolerance and urged they stick to guidelines that call for invocations to be of an ecumenical nature and respectful of all faiths.

Webster's New World Dictionary defines ecumenical as "promoting cooperation or better understanding among differing religious faiths."

Since the debate, the Senate clerk screens prayers ahead of time and flagged the written text submitted by Hughes.

When Sens. Ida Ruben and Gloria Hollinger – both of whom are Jewish – heard of the reference, they asked Mooney to strike it.

"I said, 'Hey, I'll let him pray however he wants to pray. I'm not going to censor him and tell him how he needs to pray,'" Mooney told WND.

Ruben told the Frederick News-Post she then urged Hughes to substitute "messiah" for Jesus, telling him the reference could offend non-Christians and goes against the guidelines.

Neither Ruben nor Miller returned calls seeking comment.

"This is part of my faith," Hughes responded, according to Mooney. "The Gospel says when you pray, pray in Jesus' name."

The senators next asked to be excused from the floor during the prayer.

Paradoxically, a walk-out over a Muslim cleric's prayer opening a Washington state legislative session last month backfired on one Christian lawmaker.

Washington state Republican Rep. Lois McMahan

As WorldNetDaily reported, Rep. Lois McMahan, a Republican from Gig Harbor, Wash., refused to participate in the prayer and declared, "My god is not Muhammed."

"The Islamic religion is so ... part and parcel with the attack on America. I just didn't want to be there, be a part of that," she said in an interview with the Seattle Post Intelligencer. "Even though the mainstream Islamic religion doesn't profess to hate America, nonetheless it spawns the groups that hate America."

But a day later, McMahan apologized on the floor of the state House of Representatives amid mounting furor over her stance.

Debate over invocations is raging elsewhere in the country. As WorldNetDaily reported, several Southern California cities are grappling with threats from both sides of the issue.

Under pressure from the American Civil Liberties Union to quit using the name Jesus Christ in invocations, the city of Lake Elsinore, in Riverside County, decided to eliminate mention of "religious figures." The decree subsequently had the apparent effect of eliminating the prayer altogether, as no local pastors would accept invitations to deliver the prayer, and city councilors adopted moments of silence instead.

The ACLU contends that praying at the request of a government entity is a violation of the First Amendment's prohibition against the establishment of religion.

But the nonprofit United States Justice Foundation, which threatened to sue the city if it failed to reverse its decision, maintains telling a pastor what to pray is a violation of his First Amendment rights to freedom of speech and religion.

The notion of "separation of church and state" is derived from the dissenting opinion of the 1946 Supreme Court case Everson vs. Board of Education, which upheld a program allowing parents to be repaid from state funds for the costs of transportation to private religious schools. The court required only that the state maintain neutrality in its relations with various groups of religious believers.

"The decision in Everson does not rise to the level of being a battle cry for those who would wish to remove every vestige of religion from the public forum," USJF litigation counsel Richard Ackerman asserts.

"There's a push in this country to remove religion from society," Mooney echoed, "from the Supreme Court's decision on the Pledge to the ACLU going after all the Ten Commandments posted across the country. ... Nothing in the church-state relationship allows censorship and the removal of religious values from society."


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; christians; ecumenical; hypocrites; jews; liberals; maryland; silliness; watereddown
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To: sauropod
I strongly disagree, and people who are so rightous do nothing but drive me further away from JESUS.

Why do the fringe Christians and Muslims have to be so hateful toward other religions?
181 posted on 04/03/2003 7:20:20 PM PST by LaraCroft ('Bout time)
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To: honway
I don't know how I feel about this..

Say we had an all Muslim state Senate. Should anyone be surprised if they don't want to hear references to anyone but "Allah"

That's what happens when you are in the majority for so long you forget what could happen tomorrow.

If it were me, I would gather the Christian members (and other faiths should do the same) for a sermon or prayer beforehand. Besides, from what I have seen these prayers are doing our government no good at all. As the most of the men in government are acomplished liars and cheats.

Much like perfuming a pig as it is.

182 posted on 04/03/2003 7:20:30 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Frodo sleeps with men...)
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To: sauropod
What pray tell is your definition of UNCLE TOM?
183 posted on 04/03/2003 7:20:44 PM PST by LaraCroft ('Bout time)
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To: Sloth
You have stumbled on Illbay's little "problem."
184 posted on 04/03/2003 7:20:48 PM PST by sauropod (If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy...)
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To: TopQuark; sauropod
So you're saying that Jews today believe that Jesus is the Messiah?

That is certainly news to me.
185 posted on 04/03/2003 7:21:49 PM PST by Illbay (Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
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To: yonif
YHWH.
186 posted on 04/03/2003 7:21:51 PM PST by sauropod (If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy...)
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To: sauropod
I think the whole thing is kind of ridiculous when you consider the calibre of most politicians.
187 posted on 04/03/2003 7:22:03 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Frodo sleeps with men...)
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To: Servant of the Nine
"Jesus is not part of the Trinity?
When you call upon any one of the three names do you not call upon the same single being?"

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This is why you pray in the name of JESUS.

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1 Timothy 2:5 - For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
189 posted on 04/03/2003 7:23:54 PM PST by xusafflyer
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To: Hoppean
Everything you say is correct in its own right, except it does not apply. It is ridiculous to assume that a minority does not notice that it is a minority. As for growing skin --- what do YOU know about that?

And finally, there is a difference between you freely practicing your faith and trowing bigotted phrases, such as "this is a Christian nation" (which means everyone else is not). Majority of people here are white, but it is a racist statement to say "this is a white nation; grow some skin and get used to it."

Your heart is not bad, but you have kept a bad company and have been contaminated.

190 posted on 04/03/2003 7:24:02 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: yonif
You are begging the question and saying that our history is not real.

Shame!

191 posted on 04/03/2003 7:24:06 PM PST by sauropod (If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy...)
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To: DoughtyOne
I don't believe that Jews pray to "the Messiah." The pray to God.

A prayer to God, without reference to Jesus Christ, would be appropriate no matter your religion--even Hindu.

That should be the practice, no matter your personal belief. Seek that which unites, not that which divides.
192 posted on 04/03/2003 7:24:39 PM PST by Illbay (Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
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To: Delphinium
I'll clarify first by saying that I'm a Christian. How is saying a prayer in a public proceeding which would violate teh 1st Commandment (and therefore be idolatry) for Jews a good idea when there are less divisive options available?
193 posted on 04/03/2003 7:24:43 PM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (going into an election campaign without the paleocons is like going to war without the French)
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To: honway
"The ACLU contends that praying at the request of a government entity is a violation of the First Amendment's prohibition against the establishment of religion."

I can't wait 'till God declares the ACLU irrelevant.

194 posted on 04/03/2003 7:24:47 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: Honey West
Depending on the mullah, I would have walked.
195 posted on 04/03/2003 7:25:00 PM PST by sauropod (If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy...)
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To: DoughtyOne
I think you just said everything opposite to what I did in my post.
196 posted on 04/03/2003 7:25:07 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: honway
As a Jew, I apologize for these nitwits.
197 posted on 04/03/2003 7:25:34 PM PST by Hildy
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To: Illbay
..this is entirely the clergyman's fault and he owes an apology....

You're losing it, Illbay.

Your post (and much of your recent threads) tests positive to the need-to-offend syndrome, which starts with pointlessly upsetting fellow Freepers and rapidly progresses to arguments becoming more than 90% of your FR discourse. No prizes for guessing where it ends up. I recommend a six-week break from Freeping, and plenty of sunshine, exercise and fresh air.

That worked, for me. :)

198 posted on 04/03/2003 7:25:41 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: SickOfItAll
Could we all agree to a prayer to chicken soup?
199 posted on 04/03/2003 7:25:44 PM PST by ricpic
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To: ApesForEvolution
Yes.
200 posted on 04/03/2003 7:25:49 PM PST by TopQuark
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