BILL, HILLARY, SAUL, AND MORAL RELATIVISM Saul Alinsky and the Lessons He Taught Bill and Hillary

FR ^ | 03/23/00 | The Wanderer

[Liz]

In Rules for Radicals, Alinsky says: “Here I propose to present an arrangement of certain facts and general concepts of change, a step toward a science of revolution.”

Slyfox posted 03/23/00: It would be quite safe to say that both Billy-boy and the Rodham have sucked from the teats of Lucifer......

Doctor Raoul posted 03/23/00: Rules for Radicals opens with a quote about Lucifer, written by Saul Alinsky: “Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins -- or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom -- Lucifer.”

[alisasny]

Alinski BUMP

[Thebaddog]

“Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. You can kill them with this. They can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”

This is one of the statements that really resonates with me regarding the democrats and of the Clintons in particular. And they conveniently shift their own rules to suit their agenda at the moment. In the end, we will prevail over their web of lies.

[ThePythonicCow]

“The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength.”

Bush's oft maligned "new tone" is a pretty good response to this goading and ridicule, a form of rope-a-dope, requiring a solid foundation in faith. Hitlery has met her match, more than her match, far more. Thank God.

[Interious]

The tactics of the left are transparently consistent with this. This is particularly manifest in recent protests.

I sometimes wonder how many people, even in the activist right, understand how truly dangerous the Left is? As dangerous or more so than the Islamo-fascists.

But of course, there is growing nexus between the world left and world Islamo-fascists, whose cause is essentially the same--destruction of the West. Primary target: The US.

Fukiyama's notion that history is over is quite obviously incorrect.

[hgro]

Commies by any other name are still commies and that includes bent weinie willie and his les wife hitlery.

[Liz]

In spades.

[Liz]

ALINSKY: "One of the criteria for picking the target is the target’s vulnerability ... the other important point in the choosing of a target is that it must be a personification, not something general and abstract.” “The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength.”

Hitlery's VRWC crack woulda made Saul proud.

[the_doc]

Alinsky considered Hillary a terrific “organizer” and wanted her to become his protege. She declined.

Can you elaborate on this personal connection? (I know that Hillary was an Alinsky fan, but I didn't know that Alinsky was a Hillary fan.)

[Liz]

Hitlery did her senior thesis on Alinsky - a document which has been kept under wraps since she surfaced as a public figure.

[the_doc]

I knew about that thesis. I didn't know that Alinsky knew her.

[Freedom'sWorthIt]

Thanks for this post. I have been trying to document Saul Alinsky's connection to Hillary. I thought that someone, (Rush?) did manage to get a copy of Hillary's thesis. Surely, we can find it. She is THE most dangerous Terrorist in this country.

[Slyfox]

I can't remember where I read it. I have read all of the bio's on Hillary and a couple of them detail Alinsky's opinion of her. Her senior thesis was about Saul Alinsky. She was his favorite and most capable protege. He didn't like lawyers, but she wanted to become a lawyer and was not planning to work for him. She wanted 'more maneuverabilty'.

Most people, when they get to a certain age, start looking for someone to carry on their legacy. Even though Hillary did not become the head of his organization, she fulfilled his deepest desires as to how the radical element should attempt to takeover the government. Her first chance began when she was chosen to work as a lawyer on the Nixon impeachment committee, where she tried to illegally devise a way that Nixon would be barred from being represented by counsel. Later, she became the 'power behind the throne', making decisions only the president should have been making.

I must say here, even though she has been taking her fingernails to the Constitution from the moment she got her law degree and, by the way, she continues to this day as senator, it just proves how strong what our Founding Fathers produced that even a she-devil at the gate of Hell could not destroy it.

[Libloather]

"Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules."

Great tactic. Since the RATS abandoned rules a long time ago, nothing can stick. The down side for the RATS - they have no way to document success. I, for one, hope they keep it up!

The folks with rules usually put the folks without rules behind bars...

[PoisedWoman]

Rules for Radicals teaches the organizer that he must give a moral appearance (as opposed to behaving morally): “All effective action requires the passport of morality.”

Back in chicago in my early twenties, 2349871234817264 years ago (alas), one of my first jobs was running Chi office for an importer of Brit sports cars (Lotus). This was a political job, in part, as I had to tweak local officials to get the cars through customs and also make sure they were handled gently.

My contact at Port of Chicago was a fellow not much older than I, a DemonRat underling on the way up in party and city politics. He took a shine to me and was always telling me about his affairs in great detail (though he was married). The object of his game was of course to bed me...but he never asked directly, as that would have appeared immoral. Instead, he described his prowess with others interminably hoping I'd take the bait. Naturally I did not, but enjoyed watching his machinations. I could not tell him to go to hades, as I needed him to get those cars through.

He also extolled the virtures of Saul Alinsky all the time...no doubt he'd learned his slimy immoral techniques from the master. I've been wary of Alinsky proselitizers ever since. They cannot be trusted with anything. Being in the same wroom with an Alinsky afficionado is like being in a room with a poisonous snake. You have to keep one eye on them every minute.

[Liz]

Being in the same room with an Alinsky afficionado is like being in a room with a poisonous snake. You have to keep one eye on them every minute. Paula Jones, Juanita and Kathleen Willey learned that the hard way. And thanks for the realtime story about the scumbag Dumbocrat.

[PoisedWoman]

Liz, my earstwhile friend was definitely a Bill Clinton precourser. They're all alike, Alinsky's minions.

[Fintan]

Alinski BUMP

Many thanks!! I'm touched that you remember my Alinsky-Hillary associations from those wacky MSNBC chat days... We should have a reunion.

[laz17]

Rules for Radicals opens with a quote about Lucifer

Which is why every leftist is nothing but a mirror image of Satan in human form. They are the Lie made flesh. They are the spirit of the Antichrist, a cancer trying to eat away at creation. God created order out of chaos by imposing His will, and the Left (at the instigation of Satan) is simply trying to impose chaos upon that order. The entire philosophy of the Left runs counter to the very fabric of the universe. They are like a river which fights to flow upstream, rebelling against natural law. They will not succeed, but they will not stop trying to subvert truth and reality until they are finally destroyed by the God they hate so much.

[PGalt]

Rules for CRIMINALS are as doomed as the CRIMINALS that try to implement them. The arrogance of the CRIMINAL is no match for the individual that understands FREEDOM.