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America's 'Digital Division' (4th ID) Heads For Saddam's Stronghold
Independent (UK) ^ | 4-7-2003 | Donald Macintyre

Posted on 04/06/2003 5:58:12 PM PDT by blam

America's 'digital division' heads for Saddam's stronghold

By Donald Macintyre in Qatar
07 April 2003

Units from the hi-tech US 4th Infantry Division, which was blocked by a decision of the Ankara parliament from entering Iraq from Turkey, have begun a 350-mile dash north from Kuwait towards Tikrit, Saddam Hussein's home stronghold some 100 miles north of Baghdad.

Deployed in combat for the first time since the Vietnam War, the 4th Infantry is seen as a counterweight to Iraqi forces to the north of the capital and could be used if pro-Saddam forces tried to stage a last stand in Tikrit after the fall of Baghdad. Allied special forces have already set up checkpoints on the road between Baghdad and Tikrit to prevent members of the regime or its forces moving between them. Brigadier General Vincent Brooks, the US deputy chief of operations, said last week that Tikrit, which has been heavily bombed, was known to have housed command and control facilities for the regime.

The Republican Guard's Adnan Mechanised Division is based at Tikrit. The town also has a symbolic importance as the birthplace, in 1138, of Saladin, the legendary Muslim leader who defeated the Crusaders by seizing Jerusalem from the Christians.

The 4th Infantry, whose equipment began to be unloaded at the Kuwaiti port of Shuaiba last Tuesday, is known as the "digital division" because of its ultra-sophisticated communications systems. It is equipped with the M1-A2 SEP Abrams, the army's most modern tank. It is fitted with digital and thermal imaging and steel-encased depleted uranium armour, and is protected against nuclear, biological and chemical warfare. The division also uses Bradley fighting vehicles.

The division was the first to land at Utah Beach in Normandy on D-Day in the Second World War.

Unloading of the division's equipment began last week at a breakneck pace, despite the stifling heat, immediately after the first of its ships, the Houston-based Cape Texas, arrived at the port. The 4th Infantry's 2nd Battalion Field Artillery unloaded 550 vehicles in 12 hours, instead of the normal two days. Meanwhile, round-the-clock flights to Kuwait have been bringing troops from the division's base in Fort Hood, Texas.

The 4th Infantry was expected to form a northern front but the unexpected decision by Turkey last month to refuse a US request for its ground forces to use its basescaused US generals to rethink their strategy for the north. After a visit to Ankara by Colin Powell, the US Secretary of State, last week, the moderate Islamist government of Recep Tayyip Erdogan agreed to allow the use of Turkish bases for search and rescue and medical repatriation.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 4thid; americas; checkpoints; digital; division; miltech; saddams; stronghold; tikrit; troopmovement; warlist

1 posted on 04/06/2003 5:58:12 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Help Is On The Way!!! You go guys. Make us proud!!! :-)
2 posted on 04/06/2003 6:00:18 PM PDT by goldstategop (Lara Logan Doesn't Hold A Candle Next To BellyGirl :))
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To: blam
yeah baby!
3 posted on 04/06/2003 6:00:18 PM PDT by fooman (Free NASA! Save NASA!)
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To: blam; *war_list; W.O.T.; 11th_VA; Libertarianize the GOP; Free the USA; knak; sakka; MadIvan; ...
Wonder if the digital capabiliy will help us that much?

OFFICIAL BUMP(TOPIC)LIST

4 posted on 04/06/2003 6:00:48 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Where is Saddam? and where is Tom Daschle?)
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To: blam
"Units from the hi-tech US 4th Infantry Division, which was blocked by a decision of the Ankara parliament from entering Iraq from Turkey"

Those rascally Turks. They're probably feeling like a buncha turkeys about now.

5 posted on 04/06/2003 6:00:55 PM PDT by Enterprise
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To: blam
Haul butt, soldiers! You don't want to miss this!
6 posted on 04/06/2003 6:02:50 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: blam
Great, Tikrit was without doubt their original objective.

Tough hummus for Tikrit!

7 posted on 04/06/2003 6:02:54 PM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: Enterprise
Screw the Tuks. We are able to call the shots despite the efforts of France/Germany to pressure Turkey.

We overcome obstacles despite "moderate Islam nations" and European pests.
8 posted on 04/06/2003 6:04:28 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: blam
The town also has a symbolic importance as the birthplace, in 1138, of Saladin...

Hey, that's me: J. Saladin.

9 posted on 04/06/2003 6:05:18 PM PDT by js1138
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To: js1138
Sorry. Saddam will have put off til his next life fantasies of beating us at a modern day Horns Of Hattin.
10 posted on 04/06/2003 6:06:45 PM PDT by goldstategop (Lara Logan Doesn't Hold A Candle Next To BellyGirl :))
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To: dennisw
If this is true, I find it wonderfully ironic that it will be the 4th the Turks are confronted with as they eye the northern oilfields...LOL
11 posted on 04/06/2003 6:08:37 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: dennisw
"Screw the Tuks."

And the Turks too! :^)

12 posted on 04/06/2003 6:08:43 PM PDT by Enterprise
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To: blam
All right! The 4th is rolling. When they catch up, we can end the "lull" and move that last 50 miles toward Baghdad . . .
13 posted on 04/06/2003 6:09:13 PM PDT by Timmy
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To: blam
More than a few American casualties can be laid at our so called turk friends...
We should never trust ever trust the turks...or turn our backs on them
The only way to deal with these kinds is to hold a dagger to their throats ..than they are trustworthy..and only then imo
14 posted on 04/06/2003 6:09:42 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: blam
incredible...it is nothing short of AMAZING what the US military has accomplished in this war. This should be absolutely scaring the poop out of ALL of our enemies.
15 posted on 04/06/2003 6:10:07 PM PDT by Keith
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To: blam

16 posted on 04/06/2003 6:12:03 PM PDT by Nick Danger (More rallys planned! www.freerepublic.net)
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To: blam
I've got several fond spots in my heart for the 4th.

My Uncle John was in the 8th Infantry at Normandy. He made it until 16 June 44 and is buried there.

I served with 3/8th Infantry in SE Asia 25 years later.

Get some 4th!
17 posted on 04/06/2003 6:12:45 PM PDT by x1stcav (HooAhh!)
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To: blam
Boy I'll bet these guys want to make up for lost time. They've got to be itching to get into the fight. God bless them and multiply their efforts!
19 posted on 04/06/2003 6:14:26 PM PDT by holyscroller (Why are Liberal female media types always ugly to boot?)
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To: x1stcav
I know it's not their fault, but...

'sabout time, guys! Jump on in, the water's FIIIIINE....
20 posted on 04/06/2003 6:14:52 PM PDT by homeagain balkansvet
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To: x1stcav
We are worried that the Kurds will take too much territory too fast and make the turks jump in.

Methinks we want them to wait until the 4th ID fills in the vacum.
21 posted on 04/06/2003 6:16:10 PM PDT by fooman (Free NASA! Save NASA!)
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To: homeagain balkansvet
Probably lots of martyrs still to go around.

The 3ID amd 1MEW probably need a little standown. They've got to be pretty weary after 18 days of this.

Has anyone heard where the 3ACR is?
22 posted on 04/06/2003 6:18:33 PM PDT by x1stcav (HooAhh!)
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To: x1stcav
I've got several fond spots in my heart for the 4th.

Me too. During the first week of 67 I went over with A Co, 4th Avn Bn, 4th ID out of Lewis. My son deployed to Haiti with one of their Engineer Battalions out of Carson in 94.

Godspeed, Ivy Division.

23 posted on 04/06/2003 6:20:37 PM PDT by leadpenny (OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM)
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To: blam
God Bless All of You!


24 posted on 04/06/2003 6:27:18 PM PDT by Gamecock (As seen on Taglinus FreeRepublicus - 5th Edition)
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To: leadpenny
Me too.

My Dad was in the 4th, went ashore with the first wave at Utah, then went all the way into Germany. The 4th was in the Battle of Normandy, liberation of Paris, Hurtgen Forest, the Bulge, endured over 200% casualties by war's end.
25 posted on 04/06/2003 6:28:27 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Cameo027
Are the Turks and Russians allies?

Not that I know of. My first thought was that the French had gotten to the Turks, and several commentators have said the same thing. Most likely they told Turkey that if they didn't refuse to let us go through they would block Turkey from ever getting into the EU.

I also wonder if they didn't have some arrangement with the Turkish generals to seize the northern oil fields and split the profits, promising to cover for Turkey in the UN if anyone complained.

26 posted on 04/06/2003 6:30:25 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: leadpenny
We ought to run the 4th ID straight up the highway through Baghdad on the way to Tikrit.
27 posted on 04/06/2003 6:46:40 PM PDT by blam
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"Wonder if the digital capabiliy will help us that much?"

The 4th ID will reduce the Iraqis to mere bits.

28 posted on 04/06/2003 6:50:05 PM PDT by TommyDale
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Geraldo is presently covering the 4th ID on Fox News. Looks like it could be interesting.
29 posted on 04/06/2003 7:05:59 PM PDT by blam
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To: TommyDale
The Baathists will live on in digital bits. ;-)
30 posted on 04/06/2003 7:08:07 PM PDT by goldstategop (Lara Logan Doesn't Hold A Candle Next To BellyGirl :))
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To: EternalVigilance
>>If this is true, I find it wonderfully ironic that it will be the 4th the Turks are confronted with as they eye the northern oilfields

My take is that the 173 Airborne Brigade was dropped in to be a speed bump in case the Turks decided to get frisky.
31 posted on 04/06/2003 7:30:48 PM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: blam
Watching right now!
32 posted on 04/06/2003 7:30:57 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Where is Saddam? and where is Tom Daschle?)
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To: FreedomPoster
"My take is that the 173 Airborne Brigade was dropped in to be a speed bump in case the Turks decided to get frisky."

I think you are correct.

33 posted on 04/06/2003 7:36:18 PM PDT by blam
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
dang it just tuned in and missed it,two nephews in the 4th!!
34 posted on 04/06/2003 7:41:15 PM PDT by linn37
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To: x1stcav; leadpenny; Sam Cree
"I've got several fond spots in my heart for the 4th."

Thanks for your service, guys. I have no family-connection to the Army, just a cousin in the Air Force (please keep him in your prayers), but I do have a 4th ID connection in that I live in a town adjacent to Fort Hood. Most of my Sunday School class members went out with 4th ID last week. Many of my students at school have parents serving with this group. I feel so proud as I watch Geraldo talking with our 4th ID troops.

Thanks again for all you have done for this incredible nation of ours!! God bless y'all!
35 posted on 04/06/2003 7:42:45 PM PDT by TXBlair (Fort Hood LOVES 4th Infantry Division!!)
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To: TXBlair
Oh, it was Dad who was in the IV, speaking for myself. But he'd appreciate what you said if he were still with us. Thanks.
36 posted on 04/06/2003 7:46:15 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: blam
A 3 Corps BUMP! Now all we need is the 1st Cav.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

37 posted on 04/06/2003 7:48:20 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: blam
Whorealdo is back being his usual smarmy self with the 4th in Kuwait now on Fox
38 posted on 04/06/2003 7:49:17 PM PDT by finnman69 (!)
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To: js1138
It's interesting that whenever the liberals talk about this war, and make reference to Saladin and Saddam, they always ignore one fact -- Saladin was a Kurd.
39 posted on 04/06/2003 7:53:07 PM PDT by Ronin
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To: Keith
This should be absolutely scaring the poop out of ALL of our enemies.

You got that right. Look at what we have accomplished in Iraq these past 15 days and we haven't even brought our best infantry division into the field yet. (No offense intended for those fine divisions already in the field.)

Maybe as consolation for missing most of the action, we can send the 4ID into Syria once they get down mopping up in Tikrit.

40 posted on 04/06/2003 7:53:30 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (California wine beats French wine in blind taste tests. Boycott French wine.)
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To: blam
The 4th Infantry's 2nd Battalion Field Artillery unloaded 550 vehicles in 12 hours, instead of the normal two days.

WOW, is that impressive! Go with God guys, I think Saddams birthplace would make a fitting grave for him as well.

41 posted on 04/06/2003 8:03:51 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: blam
The 4ID is a great Division. Their upgraded M1A2(SEP) is the best of our M1s, a tank which has has already proven its worth. The rest of the 4th "Ivy" Division's equipment and soldiers are no slouchers either.

I will say I hope everyone does not get too carried away though in their comparisons of them to the 3ID. The 3ID, although not the most powerful of our Divisions, is the most experienced in the CENTCOM AOR (Area of Operations) though....and it will be hard for anyone to outperform what these guys have done over the past 18 days. I expect the capabilites of the 4ID and the experience of the 3ID will equate to a wash, and we will find both of these fine Divisions about equal...which means the 4ID should overmatch anything left in the Iraqi arsenal.
42 posted on 04/06/2003 8:13:17 PM PDT by Proud Legions
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To: Proud Legions
On Fox News, they stated that the 4th ID had 4x the fire power of the 3rd ID.
43 posted on 04/06/2003 8:18:28 PM PDT by blam
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To: Sam Cree
"Oh, it was Dad who was in the IV, speaking for myself. But he'd appreciate what you said if he were still with us. Thanks."

Yes, I did read your original post. Sorry about that. I had a blonde moment (and I'm not even blonde!). Regardless, your father deserves much credit. You were fortunate to have had a dad who set such a fine example of service and patriotism for his family.
44 posted on 04/06/2003 8:23:44 PM PDT by TXBlair (Fort Hood LOVES 4th Infantry Division!!)
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To: blam
On Fox News, they stated that the 4th ID had 4x the fire power of the 3rd ID.

Wonder how they came up with that?

It would be nice to know a lot more about their high tech stuff, that has to be the reason!

45 posted on 04/06/2003 8:25:30 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Where is Saddam? and where is Tom Daschle?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"Wonder how they came up with that?"

I don't know, was wondering myself. How does a 120mm M1 cannon become 4x 'stronger'?

46 posted on 04/06/2003 8:28:54 PM PDT by blam
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