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What must be done to complete a great victory (Wesley Clark alert)
The Times (U.K.) ^ | 04/10/03 | Wesley Clark

Posted on 04/09/2003 2:50:52 PM PDT by Pokey78

Can anything be more moving than the joyous throngs swarming the streets of Baghdad? Memories of the fall of the Berlin Wall, and the defeat of Milosevic in Belgrade flood back. Statues and images of Saddam are smashed and defiled. Liberation is at hand. Liberation — the powerful balm that justifies painful sacrifice, erases lingering doubt and reinforces bold actions. Already the scent of victory is in the air. Yet a bit more work and some careful reckoning need to be done before we take our triumph.

In the first place, the final military success needs to be assured. Whatever caused the sudden collapse in Iraq, there are still reports of resistance in Baghdad. The regime’s last defenders may fade away, but likely not without a fight. And to the north, the cities of Tikrit, Kirkuk and Mosul are still occupied by forces that once were loyal to the regime. It may take some armed persuasion for them to lay down their arms. And finally, the Baath party and other security services remain to be identified and disarmed.

Then there’s the matter of returning order and security. The looting has to be stopped. The institutions of order have been shattered. And there are scant few American and British forces to maintain order, resolve disputes and prevent the kind of revenge killings that always mark the fall of autocratic regimes. The interim US commander must quickly deliver humanitarian relief and re-establish government for a country of 24 million people the size of California. Already, the acrimony has begun between the Iraqi exile groups, the US and Britain, and local people.

Still, the immediate tasks at hand in Iraq cannot obscure the significance of the moment. The regime seems to have collapsed — the primary military objective — and with that accomplished, the defence ministers and generals, soldiers and airmen should take pride. American and Brits, working together, produced a lean plan, using only about a third of the ground combat power of the Gulf War. If the alternative to attacking in March with the equivalent of four divisions was to wait until late April to attack with five, they certainly made the right call.

But no one ever won a war or a battle with a plan. Every soldier knows there are only two kinds of plans: plans that might work and plans that won’t work. The art of war is to take a plan that might work and then drive it to success. This, General Tommy Franks and his team did very well indeed.

Everyone who has ever served knows that battles are won at the bottom — by the men and women looking through the sights, pulling the triggers, loading the cannon and fixing the planes. The generals can lose battles, and they can set the conditions for success — but they can’t win. That’s done by the troops alone. And nothing could have been more revealing than those armoured fights in which a handful of US tanks wiped out a score of opposing Iraqi armoured vehicles, again and again, and usually without suffering any losses, while in the south, the British troops worked their way through the suburbs of Basra with skills born of sound training and firm discipline, minimising friendly casualties, civilian losses and destruction.

It’s to the men and women who fought it out on the arid highways, teeming city streets and crowded skies that we owe the greatest gratitude. All volunteers, they risked their lives as free men and women, because they believed in their countries and answered their calls. They left families and friends behind for a mission uncertain. They didn’t do it for the glory or the pittance of combat pay. Sadly, some won’t return — and they, most of all, need to be honoured and remembered.

As for the diplomacy, the best that can be said is that strong convictions often carry a high price. Despite the virtually tireless energy of their Foreign Offices, Britain and the US have probably never been so isolated in recent times. Diplomacy got us into this campaign but didn’t pull together the kind of unity of purpose that marked the first Gulf War. Relationships, institutions and issues have virtually all been mortgaged to success in changing the regime in Baghdad. And in the Islamic world the war has been seen in a far different light than in the US and Britain. Much of the world saw this as a war of aggression. They were stunned by the implacable determination to use force, as well as by the sudden and lopsided outcome.

Now the bills must be paid, amid the hostile image created in many areas by the allied action. Surely the balm of military success will impact on the diplomacy to come — effective power so clearly displayed always shocks and stuns. Many Gulf states will hustle to praise their liberation from a sense of insecurity they were previously loath even to express. Egypt and Saudi Arabia will move slightly but perceptibly towards Western standards of human rights.

Germany has already swung round from opposition to the war to approval. France will look for a way to bridge the chasm of understanding that has ripped at the EU. Russia will have to craft a new way forward, detouring away, at least temporarily, from the reflexive anti-Americanism which infects the power ministries. And North Korea will shudder, for it has seen on display an even more awesome display of power than it anticipated, and yet it will remain resolute in seeking leverage to assure its own regime’s survival. And what it produces, it sells.

The real questions revolve around two issues: the War on Terror and the Arab-Israeli dispute. And these questions are still quite open. Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah and others will strive to mobilize their recruiting to offset the Arab defeat in Baghdad. Whether they will succeed depends partly on whether what seems to be an intense surge of joy travels uncontaminated elsewhere in the Arab world. And it also depends on the dexterity of the occupation effort. This could emerge as a lasting humiliation of Iraq or a bridge of understanding between Islam and the West.

But the operation in Iraq will also serve as a launching pad for further diplomatic overtures, pressures and even military actions against others in the region who have supported terrorism and garnered weapons of mass destruction. Don’t look for stability as a Western goal. Governments in Syria and Iran will be put on notice — indeed, may have been already — that they are “next” if they fail to comply with Washington’s concerns.

And there will be more jostling over the substance and timing of new peace initiatives for Israel and the Palestinians. Whatever the brief prewar announcement about the “road map”, this issue is far from settled in Washington, and is unlikely to achieve any real momentum until the threats to Israel’s northern borders are resolved. And that is an added pressure to lean on Bashir Assad and the ayatollahs in Iran.

As for the political leaders themselves, President Bush and Tony Blair should be proud of their resolve in the face of so much doubt. And especially Mr Blair, who skilfully managed tough internal politics, an incredibly powerful and sometimes almost irrationally resolute ally, and concerns within Europe. Their opponents, those who questioned the necessity or wisdom of the operation, are temporarily silent, but probably unconvinced. And more tough questions remain to be answered.

Is this victory? Certainly the soldiers and generals can claim success. And surely, for the Iraqis there is a new-found sense of freedom. But remember, this was all about weapons of mass destruction. They haven’t yet been found. It was to continue the struggle against terror, bring democracy to Iraq, and create change, positive change, in the Middle East. And none of that is begun, much less completed.

Let’s have those parades on the Mall and down Constitution Avenue — but don’t demobilise yet. There’s a lot yet to be done, and not only by the diplomats.

General Wesley Clark was Supreme Allied Commander Europe 1997-2000 and led Nato forces during the Kosovo campaign


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With all due respect Gen. Clark, shut up.
1 posted on 04/09/2003 2:50:52 PM PDT by Pokey78
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2 posted on 04/09/2003 2:52:09 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Pokey78
No shame. Clark is a Clinton toady who got it all wrong.
3 posted on 04/09/2003 2:54:00 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Pokey78
Whatever caused the sudden collapse in Iraq,

Right, we all wonder what caused that. Maybe a former military general could give us a clue.

4 posted on 04/09/2003 2:54:41 PM PDT by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts)
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To: Pokey78
More words of wisdom from Clinton's left testicle.

STFU A-HOLE!
5 posted on 04/09/2003 2:56:29 PM PDT by Yankee
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To: Pokey78
This the same jackass who screamed for days that the plan was flawed . . . flawed . . . and flawed? What did Ann Coulter say about him? Something like the only time he'd ever bombed anything was when he was a NATO General and she preferred having REAL Generals in charge?
6 posted on 04/09/2003 2:59:32 PM PDT by geedee
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To: Pokey78
October 15, 2002

' "Most of the fighting will be over in two weeks," after the U.S. launches its attack against Iraq, according to U.S. General Wesley Clark...

The number of troops "actually involved in fighting" - not including support personnel - would number from 75,000 to 100,000, Clark declared. '
http://www.inatoday.com/baghdadforchristmas.htm


Wesley "Guess what I'll say next- go ahead, I dare you" Clark

7 posted on 04/09/2003 3:00:02 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Pokey78
Uh General Clark, after your 78 days of bombing innocent Serb civilians and cardboard tanks, Milosevic was still in power.
8 posted on 04/09/2003 3:01:16 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Pokey78
Windbag Wesley
9 posted on 04/09/2003 3:02:53 PM PDT by CheneyChick (SHAKANAW, Baby!)
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To: Pokey78
One of those retired Generals embedded in television Studios.
10 posted on 04/09/2003 3:02:59 PM PDT by billhilly
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To: Pokey78
Memories of the fall of the Berlin Wall, and the defeat of Milosevic in Belgrade flood back.

Funny - I must have forgotten the scenes of ecstatic Belgraders dancing in the streets and waving American flags.

11 posted on 04/09/2003 3:03:20 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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To: Pokey78
With all due respect Gen. Clark, shut up.

None is due this man.

12 posted on 04/09/2003 3:03:59 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: dfwgator
Yeah, that's what is missing. The cowardly act of dropping bombs for close to 80 days from 30,000 feet in the air. Pure military genius.

Today, I am proud to be an American.

During your debacle in the Balkans, I hung my head in shame.

13 posted on 04/09/2003 3:05:30 PM PDT by riri
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To: RightWhale
>>>Maybe a former military general could give us a clue. <<<

Wesley Clark never had a clue so you won't get anything intelligent or cogent out of him now. He is a disgrace to all fine military men everywhere.

Here is something on Clark I posted a while back.....

Posted by HardStarboard to KQQL On The Smokey Backroom 03/26/2003 8:19 PM PST #30 of 485

I posted this earlier on another thread when little Gen. Wesley's name came up. Anybody else remember this incident? Gen Wesley Clark is the one that paused his column going into Pristina airfield in Kosovo for 3 hours so that the TV crews could catch up and record his triumphal arrival. The Russkis, those clever bastards, put a General in charge of their troops that didn't think becoming a TV star took precidence over caprturing the airfield.

The Russians got there first! It took several months of diplomacy to straighten out little Wesley's SNAFU.

This guy is a major "symbolism over substance" Clinton appointee. He's a lightweight, and dangerous. Our troops slugging it out in Iraq are damned lucky he is no where near their battles.

14 posted on 04/09/2003 3:08:04 PM PDT by HardStarboard
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To: riri
Bah, S-C-U-M-B-A-G alert.

Literally, a scumbag.(used condom)

Weasel Clark.

When returning from Somalia, I recieved a 1st Cav coin from him. Walking out of Killeen airport, I tossed it in the bushes.

Clinton's Biatch!
15 posted on 04/09/2003 3:09:22 PM PDT by Stopislamnow (Because tomorrow we'll all be dead and won't be able to)
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To: Pokey78
Isn't this guy running for President?
16 posted on 04/09/2003 3:13:34 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Pokey78
Also make sure the Dems nominate him for President.

We've got 100's of hours of moronic commentary to play during the campaign.
17 posted on 04/09/2003 3:14:53 PM PDT by TD911
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To: what's up
He is, well he was: Clark tanks:

So much for the Democrats' hope that retired General Wesley Clark was going to be their Colin Powell. "He's more Benedict Arnold than anything else, if you believe the mail we've been getting here," says the Democratic National Committee staffer who, only a month ago was touting Clark as his party's answer to the military star power aligned with Republicans.

"Any cachet he might have had he's pretty much pissed away on TV," says the staffer.

Since the outbreak of Operation Iraqi Freedom, Clark has been on CNN, bemoaning the Pentagon and Gen. Tommy Franks's strategy in the opening days of taking down Saddam. And while several other senior retired military men have made critical comments about the ongoing fighting -- Ret. Gen. Barry McCaffrey, another former Clinton-era official, has been quick to criticize during his stints on MSNBC -- Clark has by far been the most vocal.

"It just looks really bad that he's knocking the troops and the way we're executing this war," says the DNC staffer. "He's taking hits everywhere, on TV, in the newspapers, on talk radio. People are furious at him. We can't fundraise off performances like this. The only presidential candidate that would probably want to be seen with him is Howard Dean."

Prior to Clark's "tanking" on CNN, the DNC had Clark pegged for political stardom. He'd visited New Hampshire, and had hinted that he was interested in perhaps running for president as a Democrat. Now, the DNC isn't sure what they can do with the man who directed Bill Clinton's military machinations in Kosovo.

18 posted on 04/09/2003 3:19:43 PM PDT by Pokey78
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WANKER

19 posted on 04/09/2003 3:23:06 PM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: Pokey78
Clinton's No. 1 butt boy general. There are still a few on active duty, Shinseiki (sp?) for one, but he is retiring in June.

This idiot wants to run for public office. Send him to France.
20 posted on 04/09/2003 3:24:23 PM PDT by CdMGuy
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