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Possible Plutonium Find Has Wide and Disturbing Implications
STRATFOR ^ | Apr 10, 2003

Posted on 04/10/2003 5:19:05 PM PDT by Axion

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To: myself6
Check out a search from the Encarta Encylopedia, (online).
61 posted on 04/10/2003 11:58:13 PM PDT by Fredsterman
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To: Cachelot
Remember the container ship flap?

Speaking of ships, What happened to those three ships supposedley circling in the Indian Ocean? Does anyone know what happened to those?

62 posted on 04/11/2003 12:17:22 AM PDT by antaresequity
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To: MadIvan
the hippies of San Francisco, are going to look unbelievably stupid.
63 posted on 04/11/2003 12:19:55 AM PDT by antaresequity
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To: Axion
There are further reports tonight that Cobalt 60 has been found.
This would be used to manufacture a dirty bomb.
64 posted on 04/11/2003 12:19:57 AM PDT by Allan
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To: Allan
Where did you hear about Cobalt 60?
65 posted on 04/11/2003 12:21:23 AM PDT by LPStar
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To: Don Carlos
and (2) Thermo-nuclear explosion (what used to be referred to as H-bomb) results from plutonium

This is only true if the device has a fusion stage (for example, lithium-6 deuteride, in which fusion would occur after being "ignited" by the plutonium fission device; there are other ways to do it as well, but they all involve fusion of light isotopes like deuterium or tritium rather than fission of heavy elements like uranium or plutonium).

66 posted on 04/11/2003 12:31:59 AM PDT by Technogeeb
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To: LPStar
Clark Staten of Emergency.com and John Loftus.
67 posted on 04/11/2003 12:36:28 AM PDT by Allan
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To: Beck_isright
Smuggling this into the U.S. would not be difficult with such stalwart allies as Mexico.(sarcasm off)

Why bother even taking the risk of detection in Mexico and running a border???????

All you need is a 40'-50' sailboat...its that simple

Despite all the effort of 'homeland' security...sailing a boat into any port on our coast is typically without challenge...

Take for instance the number of small sailboats routinley crossing the Atlantic via Bermuda and the Mediteranean...

Rarely if ever checked.

Sail right into New York Harbour any day of the week. If someone wanted me to deliver a 'package' to New York...I could have it here within 4-8 weeks from the Eastern Med...piece of cake

68 posted on 04/11/2003 12:55:11 AM PDT by antaresequity
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To: Beck_isright
What about the plant in Brazil?

Hmmm...makes you wonder

Iraqi Embassy in Brazil Burns Documents

69 posted on 04/11/2003 1:00:15 AM PDT by antaresequity
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To: Axion
Using radiation detectors to determine the difference between uranium products and plutonium products without taking samples is a sketchy business...

Not true. Each isotope decays via a specific mechanism with specific energy levels - just like a fingerprint. With the proper equipment (not hand-held devices), the isotope can be positively identified.

70 posted on 04/11/2003 3:32:56 AM PDT by snopercod
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To: walden
It reads to me like it was written by someone who wanted to write about this topic, didn't know anything about nuclear processes, went out on the internet, and crammed.

For example, he says that there are two ways of making Pu-239: neutron bombardment and in a reactor where it is made as a byproduct. What happens in a reactor? Neutron bombardment.

He contends that unlike uranium enrichment, plutonium purification is a difficult and more expensive process. That is not true. It is more expensive and difficult to fashion the purified plutonium into a functioning fissile device, but the purification process (which for plutonium is not, as he calls it, an enrichment process) is easier than uranium enrichment-- you don't have to do any isotope separation. So why is it more expensive to make Pu-239 than U-238? Because you make Pu-239 from U-238; you have to purify the uranium and then separate it into its different isotopes just to get to your 'starting point'. If Saddam wanted to make some nukes, it wouldn't be a matter of choosing between Pu based weapons or U based weapons on the matter of the cost- in order to make Pu he would need all the processes to make enriched uranium as part of the deal.

I don't see anything completely wrong in a way that matters other than the idea that no one getting sick yet means only alpha emitters are present. Just a bunch of things that are somewhat wrong and show the author doesn't really know of what he writes.

71 posted on 04/11/2003 3:39:52 AM PDT by William McKinley (You're so vain, you probably think this tagline's about you)
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To: William McKinley
Thank you!
72 posted on 04/11/2003 5:26:48 AM PDT by walden
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To: Allan
There are further reports tonight that Cobalt 60 has been found. This would be used to manufacture a dirty bomb.

I heard that on Batchelor and Alexander.

73 posted on 04/11/2003 5:33:36 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: William McKinley
You sound knowledgable about this so I can ask you this question:

In a bomb U-235 or Plutonium fissions because the nucleus gets hit with a neutron, right? Then it emits more neutrons, which hit other nuclei, etc.

How come sometimes the neutron changes the Uranium to Plutonium and sometimes it causes fission?
74 posted on 04/11/2003 5:50:59 AM PDT by ko_kyi
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To: antaresequity
Speaking of ships, What happened to those three ships supposedley circling in the Indian Ocean? Does anyone know what happened to those?

I read that all those ships are belong to us. Whatever they had was not earth shaking.

75 posted on 04/11/2003 5:54:30 AM PDT by js1138
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To: livius
Great phrase! May I use it for a tag, pretty please?

Feel (or perhaps Felix) free.

76 posted on 04/11/2003 6:31:10 AM PDT by Grut
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To: ko_kyi
I apologize for not knowing how much you know or don't know. If some of this is below you, it isn't by design. And if it's all above you, let me know and I'll try to get simpler.

Different elements can have different isotopes-- the same element but with a different number of neutrons in the nucleus. U-235 and U-238 are both Uranium, but they are different isotopes of uranium.

Fission is the process where an unstable isotope's nucleus breaks apart. There are not many isotopes of any sort that undergo fission. U-235, U-233, P-239 are examples. When the nucleus of a fissionable isotope disintegrates, you will end up with atoms of completely different elements, free neutrons, and lots of energy (mass converted into energy by E=MC^2).

The fissionable isotopes I mentioned above are the ones which undergo fission upon neutron bombardment- as such the neutrons released from the fission can feed more fission in what is known as a chain reaction, which occurs when there is enough of the material present in a small area as is needed to sustain the reaction. This is known as critical mass. Thorium-232 is another fissionable isotope (its nucleus will break apart) but unlike the others, neutron bombardment will not cause the fission. It just happens over time.

Some non-fissionable isotopes (and it is not limited to the elements listed above), when bombarded by neutrons, will change. U-238, for example, when bombarded with neutrons, may accept a neutron to become U-239, which is itself an unstable isotope that is a beta emitter with a pretty short half life. When an atom emits a beta particle, it can be thought of as a neutron in the nucleus becoming a proton and an electron, with the electron being expelled (the beta particle). The new proton causes the atomic number of the atom to increase (atomic number merely being the number of protons in the nucleus-- which says what element it is), and as such what happens is that the U-239 becomes Pu-239.

77 posted on 04/11/2003 6:40:13 AM PDT by William McKinley (You're so vain, you probably think this tagline's about you)
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To: William McKinley
So if I am reading you correctly a nuclear reactor can have a mix of U-235, which fissions and keeps the reaction going, and U-238 which bit by bit becomes plutonium which can be isolated later and made into a bomb.

I had always thought the U-238 fissioned as well.
78 posted on 04/11/2003 6:45:11 AM PDT by ko_kyi
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To: edwin hubble; thinden; Fred Mertz; honway; JudgeAmint
"Nuclear blackmail against Kuwait, Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc. We would be right where we are now with N. Korea."

Worse. Consider: Hussein has already provided training, financing, weapons, and other support for terrorist groups ranging from Hamas to Al Qaeda. Why not nukes, too?

If this story is valid, we can only hope that we've nipped this in the bud, and that there are no completed products floating around anywhere. I can't even type what I think of the U.N. and their weapons inspection protection program. It would get me banned for obscenity.

79 posted on 04/11/2003 6:47:20 AM PDT by MizSterious ("The truth takes only seconds to tell."--Jack Straw)
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To: Axion
Is the plutonium stamped "Fabrique au Republique Francais?"
80 posted on 04/11/2003 6:50:42 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (Standing tough under Stars and Stripes)
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