Academician Kolesnikov: The Virus of Atypical Pneumonia Has Been Created Artifically (SARS)

Russian Information Agency Novosti ^ | 4/11/03 | Alexander Batalin

[CyberAnt]

I agree - and the CDC was not happy about their lack of cooperation.

[capitan_refugio]

I don't think I would call it a bio-war or bio-terror attack. I think the ChiComs have an active, on-going bio-warfare program, and one or more of their researchers got contaminated. Due to faulty (or non-existant) containment protocols, the "bug" got loose.

As I have posted on other threads, SARS is no laughing matter. It spreads as easily as the common cold and has a 4% kill ratio. Maybe another 4% of the infected population will suffer extensive pulmonary damage. And there is no guarantee that you can't catch this "cold" a second time. No one knows how long the natural anti-bodies from surviors continue on in their systems. Unlike the measles, where a survivor is unlikely to catch them a second time, who knows about SARS.

CDC should be working like crazy on a serum or vaccine. Forget AIDS research. Most people are not at rick for AIDS. Everybody (by definition) is at risk for a pandemic like SARS.

[buffyt]

I have thought it was bio-terror from day one. Just too suspicious that a whole new virus, with fatal possibilities, shows up all of a sudden.

[capitan_refugio]

The Brits did not "give" Hong Kong to the Chinese. They had the former Crown Colony on a 99-year lease from the Chinese, and the lease was up. The Brits did not have the forethought to renegotiate the lease with Taiwan before they recognized the ChiComs as the rightful government of the mainland.

[SouthParkRepublican]

It’s part of a Chinese government plan to thin out their population. They knew it wouldn’t be as harmful to healthy well fed Americans as it would to their own people. This might also take care of our North Korea problem as well. /Dale Gribble

[js1138]

News obviously artificially created by Russian new agency.

[Plutarch]

South China is the notorious hotbed for the transmission of domestic animal pathogens to humans. No need to come up with a diabolical explanation when a natural one is right at hand.

[AuH2ORepublican]

"The Brits did not "give" Hong Kong to the Chinese. They had the former Crown Colony on a 99-year lease from the Chinese, and the lease was up."

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Actually, from what I recall, the 99-year lease that expired in 1997 was for the "New Territories" on the mainland, not for Hong Kong Island, the Kowloon Peninsula or several small islands, which China had ceded to the UK in perpetuity. But since the Brits weren't interested in giving back the New Territories and keeping the rest of Hong Kong (it would be like keeping Manhattan and Staten Island but returning the Bronx, Brooklyn and Queens to the Commies), they just returned all of Hong Kong.


"The Brits did not have the forethought to renegotiate the lease with Taiwan before they recognized the ChiComs as the rightful government of the mainland."

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That's pretty cool, I had never thought of that, although I don't think the Brits would have tempted the Red Chinese in such a way. The Brits probably wouldn't think it was worth it to risk a war by their "insult" of the Red Chinese by signing such a treaty with the Nationalist Government in Taiwan.

[capitan_refugio]

You recall correctly. The lease did apply only to the "New Territories." The question of Hong Kong Island depended on whether one accepted the validity of 1842 Treaty of Nanking, or the 1841 Chuen Pi Convention. The ChiComs contended Hong Kong was taken by the British in 1841 under the "invalid" and "unsigned" Convention. The British contended Hong Kong was ceded under the 1842 Treaty.

It's a moot point now. In a year Hong Kong and southern China may be severely depopulated.

[Rippin]

I was just making fun of evolutionists. More obvious apparent evidence of design than this crossing of viruses is routinely attributed to the accumulation of small mutations and natural selection but in a case like this scientists jump to the "design inference" almost immediately.

[aristeides]

"Niman" (Dr. Henry Niman of Harvard?) has this to say today on Agonist SARS Board:

Although the possible accidental release from a bioweapons program remains unlikely, the finding of a "natural" version of SARS coronavirus in 2 (and possibly many more) species in China, makes an accidental release of a lethal mutant a more likely possibility.

The vast majority of SARS isolates from patients have a 29 nt deletion, which is the type of change that could be man-made. However, although it still seems rather unlikely, the identification of several animal isolates, and one human isolate, GZ01, with the 29 nt present, changes the bioterror odds somewhat.

[Prince Charles]

Very interesting. Dr. Niman is well-respected in his field.

[aristeides]

Secret of SARS control: Follow those rumors .

[Betty Jo]

Yep, just keep on thinking you're Columbo or Furhman.

The clues are in plain sight.

[Prince Charles]

My bad: "Niman" is just a poster on that board; this apparently was not something said by Dr. Henry Niman.

[Judith Anne]

I agree, especially when I read this:

According to him, the virus of atypical pneumonia is a synthesis of two viruses (of measles and infectious parotiditis or mumps), the natural compound of which is impossible. This can be done only in a laboratory, the academician is convinced.

Someone needs to tell this "scientist" that the SARS virus is from the coronaviridae group (common cold) and NOT the paramyxoviridae group (measles, mumps, etc.).

[aristeides]

As my question mark indicates, I was unsure whether "Niman" on the board is the famous Dr. Niman. Have you been able to determine that the poster is a different person?

[Allan]

Ping to #31 and #32.
Someone's stock seems to have risen,
perhaps in more ways than one.

[Prince Charles]

Well, unless the poster "niman" chooses to reveal him/herself more forthrightly, it can't be said that this is Dr. Henry Niman... but the poster seems to be knowledgeable about the topics discussed.