RUSSIA SPIED ON BLAIR FOR SADDAM...

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[a_Turk]

>> nutball element

8 more years before my youngest goes to college.

Wild horses couldn't drag me away :))

Let alone nutballs :^ /

[JDGreen123]

We have only found the Russian papers. Wait until we find the French and German documents. I say we choose one country and play it against the other two. My preference would be Russia over France and Germany since Russia is more important on the world chess borad.

[Diddle E. Squat]

Welcome to Free Republic. What country are you from? Why do you refer to the Nazi American century, Could you explain? How would you have liberated the Iraqi's? You do agree that Saddam's regime tortured many of their own people, raped many, murdered many, gassed many, and even imprisoned many children, yes? You do agree that that is unacceptable tyranny, yes?

[FairOpinion]

Please don't take it as criticism, it was not meant that way.

It's just that in my opinion, the claim that Russia actually provided a list of assassins in the West and offered to help Iraqis to get visas, exchanging info on Bin Laden, outweighed the spying on Blair aspect, not that it is insignificant.

[VRWC_minion]

I don't know what you red. Read again. "...Article 18. The rights and liberties of man and citizen shall have direct effect. ..." Direct effect! It means independent to ward everything including the state. State just support them.M

If the state supports it for you then they are not yours. You turn over your rights in exchange for the constitutionally protected rights. We turn over limited power and retain our rights. Your rights are granted to you by your government. A limited amout of our rights are granted to our government.

Your constitution is the antithesis of ours.

[WarSlut]

I have a feeling we will need the UN from keeping those nukes from flying.

If the U.N. is the last thing standing between us and a full-scale nuclear war, it's time to start digging.

[RusIvan]

"Unauthorized war" is the way the majority of wars (i.e. Chechnya) have been waged throughout all of human history. Besides, even in the brief period that the USA aided Saddam, Russia was coddling Iraq far more than we were. Virtually all of their arms, obviously, are Russian.+++

Those weapons are Soviet. Russian weaponry much more mordern and sophisticated.
I brought that issue of UN Chapters violation just because you keep telling that Russia violated UN sactions.
You still have to prove that but US violation doesn't need proves.
Okey lets just say we all violators.

I don't miss Saddam. But he was ligitimate head of foreign state.
Attack on him brings up some different situation.
Like now everyone can war everyone. Because of precendent created by US.
If you disagree then tell me how you will condemn someone aggression if they say "US did same"?

[beckett]

What Russia was interested in respect with Saddam is preservation of international law and role of UN. Saddam or not Saddam. Because now everyone can war on everyone. No law left in the world.

I was willing to let your argument stand, weak as it was, until I saw this silliness. Putin took his position to preserve international law? What a crock!

Just yesterday a managing director for a Russian oil concern threatened to impound oil tankers in the Persian Gulf if his company's contracts were discontinued in Iraq. In a sign that he is completely delusional, he said he would get the judges at the International Criminal Court to rule in his favor and then enforce the ruling with guns on the high seas. The threat shows exactly how serious all parties are about "international law." As many conservatives have long known, a plea to honor "international law" is simply one more ploy among gamers looking out for vested interests, either political or financial.

Putin is not some altruistic angel looking out for the interests of the UN and international law!

The disturbing aspects of this report are two-fold. First, if the charges are true, Russia supplied Saddam with potentially useful intelligence about the British Prime Minister's thinking at a time when British lives were about to be put at risk to fight Saddam, a grave betrayal by Putin. And secondly, Russia seems to have had some knowledge about nuclear weapons and Saddam, information that should have caused them to work for his ouster, not to protect him.

You can moan about the unreliability of the press as much as you like, makes no difference. As evidence accrues, reasonable people with experience in evaluating stories like this one know when a tipping point is reached and the story becomes plausibile. All that's needed is some good sourcing and a little documentation.

[RusIvan]

Your rights are granted to you by your government. +++

Where you see that? Rights belong to us. Goverment just support (not grant) that together with us.

[Mo1]

*L* ... ok

[whadizit]

I just heard on MSNBC that now Syria is meeting with Russia, France, and Germany! LOL!! If Syria thinks France is going to protect it, dream on!

[Mo1]

Has anyone emailed this to anyone at Fox?

I have no idea, but I am guessing they may have seen the story

[Mo1]

Russians so smart that British never match for them.

Oh I wouldn't go that far.

It's no secret that everyone spies on each other .. but if Russia was so smart .. why did they side with an evil madman like Saddam ..

[a_Turk]

The UN is an apparatus of stalemate. When there are more than one nuclear agitator handy, a stalemate is more than welcome. It will come in handy once you've heeled the Chinese well enough... Still don't get the suicidal enfatuation with the Chinese. Like moths are attracted to fire it seems.

[RusIvan]

As many conservatives have long known, a plea to honor "international law" is simply one more ploy among gamers looking out for vested interests, either political or financial. +++

Ok then what you say. No international law anymore?

I understand that lot of folk here are glad to suspect Russia with everything. And they simply don't bother themselves with proves.

None in here except me even thought about how it is possible for Russia to read the top secret British correspondence. How Russia did crack the code?
So much for "reasonable and intellegent" people.

[XEHRpa]

It becomes more clear that, the US-Brit relation aside, the old adage is so true... there are no allies; only interests. And that is why I think Bush and Blair will stick it to them.

[browardchad]

The documents, in Arabic, are mostly intelligence reports from anonymous agents and from the Iraqi embassy in Moscow.

 

Although I have no trouble believing that Russia was deeply involved in supplying intelligence and arms to Saddam, this is not proof. The documents are in Arabic and from either "anonymous agents" or the Iraqi embassy in Moscow. As far as the "bugged" conversation between Berlusconi and Blair, the Iraqis have an embassy in Italy, and were only recently expelled (March 25).

Unfortunately, all of this is hearsay, and it certainly wouldn't be a stretch to believe that the Iraqi regime's bag of tricks included the intentional planting of documents implicating other governments in illegal activities -- particularly those governments with a vote on the Security Council -- with a view to blackmail.

[Stefan Stackhouse]

Yes, the cost would be high. But the economic key to space exploration is economic space exploitation. There are many economic opportunities in space, far beyond what already has been exploited by satelites. There are unlimited mineral resources out there in the asteroid belt, just waiting to be mined. Massive quantities of solar power could be developed in space, and space is probably going to be the ideal place to construct fusion reactors as well. He3 might be a good feedstock, and there is lots of that on the moon. The key is to develop space resources so that there is a positive cash flow to offset the costs of the infrastructure development. This is the type of thing that the USA does extremely well -- all by ourselves.

[Mo1]

imagine if Blair switches from being a socialist over this and the other stories that WILL come out.

LOL .. anything is possible .. but I wouldn't count on it

[Rushmore Rocks]

I think we now know who writes the "Babelfish" translations.