Posted on 04/13/2003 6:32:28 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
Conservatives, liberals fear broader anti-terror powers
Sides unite to protest Justice's push to widen Patriot Act's reach
04/13/2003
WASHINGTON – Fearful that the Bush administration is poised to ask Congress for greater anti-terrorism powers, including the right to strip Americans of their citizenship, liberals and conservatives are joining forces to block what they view as dangerous encroachments on civil liberties.
The loose-knit coalition was on display last week when conservative activists who otherwise are close administration allies joined the American Civil Liberties Union to decry the Justice Department's impending push for powers that could reach well beyond the USA Patriot Act that Congress raced to adopt in the dark, chaotic weeks after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
The possible outlines of what the Justice Department is seeking in a bill dubbed "Son of Patriot" or "Patriot 2" has had privacy and civil libertarian groups across the political spectrum in an uproar since a draft was leaked in February.
Although Justice Department officials insist the 86-page bill is a preliminary draft that bears little resemblance to what ultimately will be requested, some fear it's a clear sign of things to come.
"Based on past history of various administrations, when draft legislation such as the 'Son of Patriot' that we've been now seeing are first denied and then they surface, where there's smoke there's fire," said former Rep. Bob Barr of Georgia, a conservative Republican who is now an ACLU consultant. "We are very worried that it will surface in some way relatively quickly."
Senate Judiciary Committee Democrats have argued that the Justice Department should work with Congress to draft new anti-terrorism legislation rather than write it in secret.
The leaked draft, stamped "Confidential – Not for Distribution," would grant federal law enforcement sweeping new power to wiretap, detain and punish suspected terrorists while limiting court review and cloaking certain information from the public. Among the most criticized proposals: the right to strip the citizenship of Americans who provide "material" support to organizations designated terrorist groups.
"Everyone is concerned with protecting our people and our society and our homeland," said American Conservative Union Chairman David Keene. "But everyone should be equally concerned at the potential costs to our society and its very nature if we adopt measures that in retrospect would be viewed as unwise."
Justice Department spokesman Mark Corallo declined to discuss which parts of the leaked draft have been discarded and which remain viable.
"We're not going to discuss things that are being deliberated right now," he said. He dismissed criticism that lawmakers are being cut out of the loop, saying Congress ultimately will decide whether to accept, reject or amend the package that will be sent to Capitol Hill later this year.
The Patriot Act has been "an invaluable tool" for terrorism prevention, Mr. Corallo said, adding that he thinks critics have misunderstood the law, which expanded wiretapping and spying authority; lowered prohibitions on the sharing of intelligence with criminal investigators; and imposed restraints on the public release of information.
"The Patriot Act actually strengthened constitutional protections," he said.
That view is far from universally shared.
Librarians in some cities are hastening their routine shredding of patrons' records because of Patriot Act provisions that allow the FBI to review records at libraries, bookstores and other businesses. A California dive shop owner objected when the FBI sought lists of clients at his and other dive shops around the country, citing the possibility that a terrorist diver could launch an attack by slipping unseen into a U.S. port.
And now, groups such as the Eagle Forum and American Conservative Union are setting aside historic policy differences with liberal-leaning organizations such as the ACLU and the Electronic Frontier Foundation to tackle a range of post-Sept. 11 actions they view as threats to freedoms.
"We've given up some civil liberties since 9-11, there is no doubt about it," said Lori Waters, the Eagle Forum's executive director.
Conservative groups historically have left the defense of civil liberties to the ACLU, conservative activist Grover Norquist said. But, he added, "I'm not sure given the Republican control of the House and the Senate and the government that we can count on our left-of-center friends to look out for some of these issues."
The Patriot Act and its possible successor aren't the liberal and conservative groups' only concerns. They fret about a data-mining program known as Total Information Awareness being developed within the Pentagon; an airline passenger profiling system that could roll out later this year; and other proposals.
Ms. Waters and others are voicing particular dismay at reports that Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, with administration backing, wants to make permanent Patriot Act provisions that expire in 2005.
"I am very concerned at the idea of getting rid of the sunsets," Mr. Norquist said.
Mr. Barr, the former congressman, said he viewed the Hatch bid, which apparently has been shelved for now, as an "end-run."
"This is particularly troubling because we have not yet had nearly the full opportunity that we ought to have to see how the Patriot Act is working," Mr. Barr said. "This is a very, very complex piece of legislation."
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Nope. Not until you out yourself.
Here's a hint on Google: FR's post data base was wiped out around Christmas in 1999 or 2000, I don't remember which. In the old days, some naive FReepers would actually publish their real e-mail addresses here. There was a line item for it.
I don't have any links, but I know of some FReepers, a couple of whom are still active here, who've been outed and harrassed.
I wouldn't tell you who they are without their permission anyway.
So drop the demand. You won't publish your real name, or e-mail, so am I to assume you're a coward?
I've also raised my profile in my own community and have gotten on a few radar screens. Yeah, I've encountered a few idiots over the years (FR and elsewhere), but no biggie. There's nobody and nothing that I'm afraid of, except falling on the wrong side of God.
BTW, I'm not demanding anyone reveal any personal info on this thread. I'm just contending that mystery people who DO nothing but give their stupid opinions be treated as such. Ya'll could be anything from Arabs to Democratic operativse to just plain old statist dumbos. Nobody knows one way or the other, it's just simple logic to treat you as such.
As I said, guys like CJ, Roscoe and you are just "mystery meat".
Inside the U.S. Senate ....
... Jar Jar Stoolie proposes granting emergency powers ...
... to Chancellor Bush, thereby dooming the Republic ...
... and paving the way for Darth Clinton ...
... to send in the stormtroopers ...
... and hassle the freaks.
"BooHooHoo! I would never give any money to Hamas, but I would fight for anyone's right to do so!" -Uberpatriots Anonymous
You and all the other Spanish Inquisition throwbacks here, do you really think your smirking wit will protect you the next time a leftist administration pronounces the next terrorist threat to be right-wingers, and puts a submachine gun in your face and tell you to come quietly?
It would be funny though to see your face when your citizenship got revoked. Other than Muslim countries, are there any nations left on earth where Mother Church runs the show, so you have a place to run to? Guess you were born a few hundred years too late.
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