Posted on 04/13/2003 6:59:15 AM PDT by jalisco555
I read it slightly different. When the enlightenment and industrial revolution came, it was necessitated by a tolerance that allowed Jews to become active in society. Because Jews had developed separately with a high level of they were in a good position to rise to prominence at that point.
The rejection of the Jews brings disaster, not because it rejects the Jews, but because it is an indicator of a way of thinking that is inimical to a thriving society. Treatment of Jews is a signal, not because of anything inherent to the Jews, but because it signals a shift in mindset.
Look at the nation of Israel. It is one of the most socialist countries on the planet. It's only technological innovations come in the area of defense.
And agriculture. Especially with regard to irrigation and dealing with harsh environments.
Imminent destruction does seem to sharpen the mind.
I'd say imminent destruction sharpens the mind along those lines that have to do with survival.
John Adams wrote: "I study war and politics in order to give my children an opportunity to study economics and commerce and that will enable their children to study music and art." Israel has never had the opportunity to get beyond that first sentence.
I believe this is unconstitutional. For example, it isn't a crime to vote for something patriots believe is unamerican. In fact, our government can be changed totally through constitutional amendments -- as well it should be able to do.
It's not that we haven't deported communists that has led us to the point where they dominate our universities and corrupt us through the arts.
It's that we gave them tenure, bought their musical recordings, went to their movies, and elected them to office. I believe we must face the responsibility for our own mistakes. I see it turning around, and it's happening without any thought police. (I think the thought police are the soccer moms and PC types.)
This gives me the chance to point out that it's people on the right these days who are the strongest defenders of liberty. They stand up for the second amendment. They stand up for freedom of speech. They offer their children as soldiers. They lead us to fight our enemies.
We can have freedom in this country and honor the Constitution at the same time.
The party ruling India is equivocating. I believe the main opposition party is more behind the U.S.
India has a big problem in that it has a significant Muslim population, some of which are in rebellion and much of which is on the verge of the same. They're also walking a knife edge with Pakistan, where they could fall into a nuclear abyss.
Their rulers are trying to hold everything together. I'm not sure they're ruling party is correct, but they believe that too strongly backing the U.S. could precipitate a worse civil war than there presently is. I'm not sure whether this is, at present, the right course for them. However, I strongly suspect that India will have stop equivocating before too long.
Interestingly, I've started to see the anti-Semites writing anti-Hindu hate that links Hinduism with Judaism and India with Israel. Likewise, I've been seeing the start of overtures between Hindu and Jewish groups. If more of the world starts seeing India as Hinjews that equivocation will have to stop all the sooner.
In any case, I'm willing to cut India a little slack right now. They could be the breakout country of the 21st century -- demographic predictions I've seen have India passing China in population shortly before 2050 -- and a major addition to the Anglosphere. But right now, it is a powder-keg over there.
Heh, I know I should be, too! But I feel like goading them into seeing what they're doing to us. We could use the moral support now. I don't think we need them strategically, but it wouldn't hurt.
I hope we don't get them after a bloody and/or irradiated war with Pakistan, or their own internal civil war. Whatever the case, I want them to see that their geopolitical interests would be served by joining with us. We're not colonists anymore, meaning the British anglos.
Problem is, outside of country music, there are damned few non-leftists recording music. Maybe there are some non-left-wingers among the Electric Celt/Acid Croft/Celtic Stone/AfroCelt sort of music I like, but they're keeping quiet about it.
That may be the initial attraction. But, no one invloved in the movement beleives this to be true.
That's very insightful but do you think that applies to strictly "Christian" nations or others.... Others meaning Islamic since I'm not aware of Jews gaining any footholds in any other nations outside of predominately Christian or Islamic are you? (Israel notwhithstanding) I think the best countries to study the rise and fall and rise and fall and so forth of Jewish minorites are Hungary, Russia, and Poland. It has been a rough ride in those nations and many Jews made the mistake of hitching their wagon to the wrong horse. Do you think it's coincidence that Jews have fared better in Anglo nations including of course here? I don't. I did not mention the modern Jewish experience in Muslim nations which has been disastrous recently with the exceptions of Turkey and Morroco...which are both shining examples of tolerance only in comparison to their tribal neighbors. Germany...that is a case study all by itself. Regards.
That may be the initial attraction. But, no one invloved in the movement beleives this to be true.
That was BeAllYouCanBe's comment.
The ages when tolerant Muslims ruled Spain were generally considered a golden age for both Jews and Muslims. When more fanatical Muslims came to power in the mid-12th century and started persecuting non-Muslims (both Christians and Jews), Islam started losing its grip on Spain.
More recently, I believe there were thriving Jewish communities in Iran, until the fall of the Shah, and Iraq, until the rise of the Ba'athists. I'd have to check things in more detail for the rest of the Muslim world, but that much I'm at least vaguely familiar with.
There was a thriving Jewish community in China for several centuries, but they disappeared, mainly through assimilation, about a generation before Marco Polo showed up. There are still small Jewish communities in India that date back more than a thousand years.
And no... I don't think it's any coincidence that Jews have done well in the Anglo nations, as the Anglo nations have thrived. Again, though, I'm not sure how much that is anything divine, as much as the nature of the Anglo nations. They have thrived on trade and open markets. It's hard to have an open market, when certain groups of people are excluded from it.
Obviously you're not very familiar with the foundations of our civilization, the Arts and the Sciences. The names of Jews who achieved true greatness could fill an entire book.
There are two main causes for the rise of anti-Americanism in Europe:
First, the collapse of communism in the 80's turned Europe's "intellectual left" into an ideological orphan. These people had totally identified their whole being with their ideology. In order to regain their identity they were able to salvage the only ideological element that could be salvaged: anti-Americanism, which had always been an integral part of leftist ideology.
The second reason is anti-Semitism, which is quite alive and well in Europe. Much of Europe's anti-Americanism is actually anti-Semitism in disguise. It's much more politically and socially correct to be anti-American than anti-Jew.
I agree. I was always against Quebec separatism. I know better now. The problem is they won't leave! All the want is to threaten.
Subtract Jews, Marxism, etc. etc. from the equation and the rest of the world would still hate us, because they're jealous of us, and resent our power. The intellectual elites of the world just don't want to believe that, is the problem. To admit that is to admit that there is NO SOLUTION to the problem, other than giving up our wealth and power allowing America to be kicked around like a stray dog until the rest of the world is satisfied that we're *incapable* of forcing our will on anyone else.
And in case you haven't noticed, the latter is *exactly* the objective of the Left both in this country and abroad. That is *why* they want to destroy this country as a global power. The Left in this country (as elsewhere) is largely composed of losers and misfits, who want to see what they view as the "power structure" in this country brought down, as a result of their own petty jealousies and vindictiveness, and the rest of the world -to whose equally petty jealousies the Left in other countries give voice - is of the same infantile, self-centered nature.
As I've said over and over, America has earned its stature in the world by expending blood and treasure cleaning up the messes that the degenerate and corrupt regimes and civilizations of the rest of the world create for themselves, and we now possess the dominant global Empire as a result. From a historical perspective, this is going to produce eternal jealousy and hatred on the part of small-minded nations and individuals who will occasionally have to be whacked like the infants they are, and we may as well get used to the idea.
And most of them, as recent events have demonstrated, will end up thanking us for it...
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