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It's 'Gang Up on Franklin Graham' Time Again: Pentagon Sticking to Its Guns....
AgapePress ^ | April 16, 2003 | Fred Jackson and Jody Brown

Posted on 04/16/2003 11:19:30 AM PDT by Remedy

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To: k2blader
You are encouraging ignorance. No one is vetoing anyones religion. It would seem that Graham comes the closest to doing that call an entire religion evil.
41 posted on 04/16/2003 12:46:46 PM PDT by breakem
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To: breakem
"One religion, regardless of the religion, does not have the veto right over another religion."

I dunno. I like the quote. It rings true. :-)

Thank God for men like Franklin Graham.

42 posted on 04/16/2003 12:56:48 PM PDT by k2blader (Pity people paralyzed in paradigms of political perfection.)
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To: breakem
You can take comfort that all rude and ignorant people share those rights, as well as the right to choose eternal suffering if they so desire... though such a choice is perhaps most truly ignorant.

For those who so choose to call someone who would try to dissuade them from that choice "ignorant" is priceless... despite that it's a guaranteed right.

Just like Timothy Robbins, all Americans have such rights, but must share also the right to endure the consequences of their choices without complaint, as the choice was theirs in the first place..

43 posted on 04/16/2003 12:57:15 PM PDT by Gargantua
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To: breakem
they are sleepers :)
44 posted on 04/16/2003 12:59:37 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Gargantua
You can take comfort that all rude and ignorant people share those rights, as well as the right to choose eternal suffering if they so desire... though such a choice is perhaps most truly ignorant.

For those who so choose to call someone who would try to dissuade them from that choice "ignorant" is priceless... despite that it's a guaranteed right.

Very well said.

45 posted on 04/16/2003 1:00:02 PM PDT by k2blader (Pity people paralyzed in paradigms of political perfection.)
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To: breakem
Islam tries to teach that one day sinless Jesus will follow Mohammed, and this is one of the most evil things I have ever heard, and If Islam is not evil, then nothing is.
We need more men like Frankin Graham, who are willing to stand up and call sin by it's right name.
46 posted on 04/16/2003 1:00:52 PM PDT by tessalu
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To: Remedy
I am glad the pentagon stuck by its guns. Many examples of Islam being an evil religion, a religion of intolerance and hate.

Thanks for telling the truth Franklin.

47 posted on 04/16/2003 1:02:50 PM PDT by LaGrone
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To: breakem
If Graham attended a government event and made the comment that Islam is evil I could see your point. But that is not what happened. He was asked what he thought of Islam in an interview and he told the truth. Who has followed around the Muslim employees you speak of and picked up their beliefs about Christians or, better yet, Jews?

It is not fair or constitutional to banish Graham for his religious beliefs any more than it would be right to fire the Muslim employees for theirs. All Christians think Islam is wrong. Do we exclude all of them or only the ones who actually express their beliefs in public? If a Muslim can think Graham is an infidel, why can't Graham think a Muslim has an evil religion. (He didn't say Muslim's were evil, btw.)

Is it possible that your view is partly formed by your own negative feelings about Christianity in general?

48 posted on 04/16/2003 1:07:05 PM PDT by RAT Patrol
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To: tessalu
Islam tries to teach that one day sinless Jesus will follow Mohammed, and this is one of the most evil things I have ever heard, and If Islam is not evil, then nothing is. Just remember that they have every right to believe it.
49 posted on 04/16/2003 1:10:42 PM PDT by RAT Patrol
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To: george wythe; RAT Patrol

I also believe that Muslims have the same rights to their beliefs as the rest of us do.

Do you know what they believe?

Islam's Immigrant Invasion of Europe: What sense is there in respecting those who don’t respect us?

Secularists

are Muslims who do not have a knowledge of the contents of the Quran and only know a verse or two to justify enjoying their life such as: "Wealth and children are the adornment of the life of this world" (Surat AI-Kahf 18:46).

Moderates

know the Quran but seek to make their faith relevant to modern life. They try to reconcile the contradicting verses in the Quran in such a way that Muslims may tolerate Jews and Christians living among them. They emphasize the verses that came to the Prophet Muhammad when he was weak militarily and in need of the support of Jews and Christians.

Islam means Peace, so they tell us! Several articles by Silas investigate aspects of Muhammad's life and actions that raise questions regarding his prophethood which is the core doctrine of Islam: Muhammad and the Death of Kinana, The Death of Muhammad, Muhammad, Aisha, Islam, and Child Brides. Further: A Rebuttal of Jamal Badawi's "Wife Beating".

Being a non-Muslim under Islamic rule:The theory and the reality ...

The central goal of Islam is to establish Islamic law in every country, and this is the declared purpose of many Islamic organizations also in the USA and in Europe. What could the implications be for your life? What can we learn from the past?

See also: Islamic law, History

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The Qur'an An Evaluation of the Muslim Claims

 

Muhammad, Islam, and Terrorism The below following article "Muhammad, Islam, and Terrorism" was written nearly two and a half years before the terror attack of September 11th, 2001. This tragedy has shown again how important it is to understand the reasons and dynamics fuelling Islamic terrorism. Determining the right response is not easy. But some kinds of response are definitely wrong.

Top Shi'ite Cleric Bans Muslims From U.S. War ``It is not permissible for any Islamic party, country, ruler or political movement to extend any military, security or economic assistance to the United States in its war against any Muslim country or any Muslim faction,'' Sheikh Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah said in a religious ruling faxed to Reuters. Fadlallah is a former spiritual mentor of Lebanon's Iranian-backed Hizbollah guerrilla group, but he is widely respected as a scholar among Shi'ites abroad, including moderates.

50 posted on 04/16/2003 1:11:07 PM PDT by Remedy
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To: RAT Patrol

I agree with Franklin Graham about Islam. I also believe that Muslims have the same rights to their beliefs as the rest of us do. They just don't have the right to criminal activity.


51 posted on 04/16/2003 1:16:09 PM PDT by Remedy
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To: breakem
I know of no other instance in America where one was motivated solely by religion to the killing of superior officers or refuse to carry out his employment obligations as an FBI agent.
52 posted on 04/16/2003 1:18:35 PM PDT by mikeIII
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To: george wythe
LOL. You don't have enought info to even form an opinion, much less argue any point that you may support or oppose.
53 posted on 04/16/2003 1:19:25 PM PDT by Remedy
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To: Remedy
I know what they believe and I defend their right to believe it if they can do so without criminal activity.

Remedy, tell me how many religions in the world you do agree with? The concept of religious freedom does not allow us to pick and choose a persons beliefs no matter how crazy they seem to us. I believe in that freedom.

You and I share the same basic religious beliefs, but the salvation we know is a free gift that we could take or leave. If it is not freely chosen it is meaningless. Christianity is perfectly compatable with religious freedom. Islam may not be but as long as they stay within the law they're entitled to those beliefs. We can't play thought and religion police if we want to protect our own religious freedoms. That's my point.

54 posted on 04/16/2003 1:22:43 PM PDT by RAT Patrol
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To: Remedy
The more a person adheres to orthodox New Testament Christianity, the less prone to violence that person will be. The more a person adheres to orthodox Islam, the more prone to violence that person will be.

But in gov't, we can only judge both on their actions, not their thoughts. That is what religious freedom is all about.

55 posted on 04/16/2003 1:26:39 PM PDT by RAT Patrol
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To: mikeIII
therefore....................
56 posted on 04/16/2003 1:28:28 PM PDT by breakem
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To: RAT Patrol
Your last comment is so far off mark, it is not even a good guess. Deal with the issues and stop trying to analysis the source of the comment.

Graham had a right to do what he did and the employees have a right to ask their employer to not have this insulting person speak at their work site. Seems simple to me. No one has been banished. You overstate the action of not having him there.

57 posted on 04/16/2003 1:31:37 PM PDT by breakem
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To: RAT Patrol
PS: the comment is just as insulting to good people whether he or not he said it at a government facility. The local of the comment is not an issue.
58 posted on 04/16/2003 1:32:57 PM PDT by breakem
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To: RAT Patrol
I saw a bit on tv the other night about the books Muslims have in their schools in New York, and they teach the students to hate Christians. It was teaching them to be terrorists. (It was absolutely deplorable what those books said against Christianity.)

The report did say they are doing away with those books and teachings. (We shall see.)

59 posted on 04/16/2003 1:33:09 PM PDT by the Deejay
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To: tessalu
Islam tries to teach that one day sinless Jesus will follow Mohammed, and this is one of the most evil things I have ever heard..........

The fact that you disagree with something or it conflicts with your beliefs does not necessarilly make it evil. By that logic any non-christian can pick a christian teaching they disagree with and call it evil.

60 posted on 04/16/2003 1:35:09 PM PDT by breakem
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