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It's 'Gang Up on Franklin Graham' Time Again: Pentagon Sticking to Its Guns....
AgapePress ^ | April 16, 2003 | Fred Jackson and Jody Brown

Posted on 04/16/2003 11:19:30 AM PDT by Remedy

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1 posted on 04/16/2003 11:19:30 AM PDT by Remedy
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To: Remedy
"One religion, regardless of the religion, does not have the veto right over another religion."

Exactly. Unfortunately, not many believe this any more.
2 posted on 04/16/2003 11:23:17 AM PDT by serinde
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To: serinde
The Atlantic | May 2002 | Tales of the Tyrant | Bowden He has become a student of one of the most tyrannical leaders in history: Joseph Stalin.
3 posted on 04/16/2003 11:24:16 AM PDT by Remedy
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To: serinde
Federalism And Religious Liberty: Were Church And State Meant To Be Separate?
4 posted on 04/16/2003 11:26:12 AM PDT by Remedy
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To: Remedy
Are we moving towards the time when we have to have reps from every "majority religion" at ceremonies like this? C'mon now, it's a Christian holiday.
5 posted on 04/16/2003 11:26:17 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: sarasota
Marxism: The New Secular Religion of the Left....

The Real Murderers: Atheism or Christianity?

6 posted on 04/16/2003 11:28:53 AM PDT by Remedy
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To: Remedy
The organizations, that Franklin Graham is involved with, have worked in parts of the world where Christians are persecuted by Muslims.
7 posted on 04/16/2003 11:29:01 AM PDT by syriacus (When DOES the autobiography of Bernard Shaw (formerly of CNN) come out?)
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To: Remedy
There are employees at the Pentagon and dare I say, in other sensitive locations in our government, who are moslems. Given that you believe that islam is an evil religion, how can you reconcile the fact that these employees appear to be competent and non-subversive. Have they resisted their religion's call to evil or is it possible that not all believers follow the same interpretations, just like Christianity?
8 posted on 04/16/2003 11:32:51 AM PDT by breakem
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To: breakem
There are employees at the Pentagon and dare I say, in other sensitive locations in our government, who are moslems. Given that you believe that islam is an evil religion, how can you reconcile the fact that these employees appear to be competent and non-subversive. Have they resisted their religion's call to evil or is it possible that not all believers follow the same interpretations, just like Christianity?

Iraq was an evil regime and all Iraqis were affiliated with it. But, not all Iraqis were bad, some were just Iraqis. This didn't make the regime any less evil.

9 posted on 04/16/2003 11:35:49 AM PDT by trebb
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To: trebb
Your aanology doesn't hold water. Iraq was not evil, Saddam was. Islam is not evil some of the followers are extremists. Some christians have an idiotic interpretation of christianity. Does that make christianity and idiotic religion.

Answer my question about the employees. Why are they allowed to work there and why is it okay to have a minister there who insults their religion?

10 posted on 04/16/2003 11:39:12 AM PDT by breakem
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To: trebb
"Iraq was an evil regime and all Iraqis were affiliated with it. But, not all Iraqis were bad, some were just Iraqis. This didn't make the regime any less evil."

What?


11 posted on 04/16/2003 11:42:14 AM PDT by thetruckster
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To: Remedy
I believe in the right of free people to choose a bad religion. We can't say "I believe they will do this or that some day..." and use that as an excuse to take their freedom of religion away. We can only judge individuals for individual acts (or SPECIFIC groups of individuals for the conspiracy of their SPECIFIC group).

While we have every right to believe a religion is evil and say so, some here on FR sound as if they think Islam should be outlawed. You have to understand that even if a group of Muslims believe they should kill us, they have not broken any laws until they conspire to actually do it. We can fight their bad beliefs with speech, friendship, righteous anger, whatever....but as soon as we cross the line into dictating what someone can and cannot believe we will have lit the torch that will destroy all religious freedom.

12 posted on 04/16/2003 11:45:00 AM PDT by RAT Patrol
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To: breakem
U.S. Muslims say war on Iraq not justified ( Says Terrorist Front Group CAIR)

CAIR: 'Moderate' friends of terror

For these and other reasons, the FBI's former chief of counterterrorism, Steven Pomerantz, concludes that "CAIR, its leaders and its activities effectively give aid to international terrorist groups."

Nor is terrorism the only disturbing aspect of CAIR's record. Other problems include:

Intimidating moderate Muslims. In at least two cases (Hisham Kabbani and Khalid Durán), CAIR has defamed moderate Muslims who reject its extremist agenda, leading to death threats against them.

Embracing murderers. CAIR responded to the arrest and conviction of Jamil Al-Amin (the former H. Rap Brown) by praising him, raising funds for him and then denying his guilt after his conviction for the murder of an Atlanta policeman. Likewise with Ahmad Adnan Chaudhry of San Bernardino, Calif.: Disregarding his conviction for attempting murder, CAIR declared him "innocent" and set up a defense fund for him.

Promoting anti-Semitism. The head of CAIR's Los Angeles office, Hussam Ayloush, routinely uses the term "zionazi" when referring to Israelis. CAIR co-hosted an event in May 1998 at which an Egyptian militant Islamic leader, Wagdi Ghunaym, called Jews the "descendants of the apes."

Aggressive ambitions. As reported by the San Ramon Valley Herald, CAIR Chairman Omar M. Ahmad told a crowd of California Muslims in July 1998, "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran . . . should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth."

CAIR's real record is one of extremism. North American Muslims themselves are beginning to discover - and the government, leading media, churches, and businesses should follow - that CAIR represents not the noble civilization of Islam but an aggressive and radical strain similar to that which led to the suicide hijackings last September. CAIR must be shunned as a fringe group by responsible institutions and individuals throughout North America.


Two powerful "civil rights" organizations have emerged, both essentially fronts for fundamentalist factions. The Council for American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and the American Muslim Council (AMC). CAIR is, Emerson testifies, is an offshoot of several terrorist groups such as Hamas and fronts that represent it. With shifting memberships and names, a "vast infrastructure" spreads propaganda, raises money for relief to the families of suicide bombers, and plans major campaigns against the enemy, the United States and its ally Israel. Now that Islam has secured a degree of cultural respectability, Islamic fundamentalists are able to use foundations and universities for their purposes, always cloaking pro-terrorist activities and plans as religion, social work, charity, and political pressure. The Islamic Jihad, one of the most lethal terrorist actions in the world, was based as a network of think tanks at the University of South Florida, where Islamic university professors carried on a campaign to sponsor "martyrs" in the holy war against Israel.

CAIR and the AMC have mounted a steady effort to silence all criticism or unfavorable publicity from journalists and media. Using cues from other pressure groups, they react immediately to any mention of Islam they consider unfavorable. Each of these they treat as a threat or as "an attack on Islam," and through carefully calibrated barrages of phone calls, press releases, and cries of "Islamophobia," they have managed to extract public apologies from news agencies, journalists, and politicians. When arrests are made under the AntiTerrorism Act of 1996, CAIR and AMC beat the anti-Islam drum, evoking cries of outrage from major liberal newspapers and congressmen.


Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)

According to Khalid Durán (who is a Muslim), in an article entitled How CAIR Put My Life in Peril, published in the Middle East Forum:

CAIR is the principle front organization of a coalition of Islamist (or fundamentalist Muslim) groups that have taken root in America over the past two decades. Most are spin-offs of the Islamic Association of Palestine (IAP), such as the American Muslims for Jerusalem, the Holy Land Foundation, and the Islamic Institute. These are extreme groups, and some have even come under federal investigation for alleged support of Middle Eastern terrorism. But CAIR's mission has differed from the others: its special assignment is the insinuation of the Islamist agenda into mainstream American politics. Like the many front organizations established by the Soviet Union in its heyday, CAIR works to give a "white bread" image to advocates of illiberal and even radical ideas.

CAIR is run by a duo. The executive director, Nihad Awad, is a Palestinian; his associate, Ibrahim ("Dougie") Hooper, is an American convert. Awad actively propagates the cause in Arabic, while Hooper handles most of the English-language work. To create the perception that CAIR speaks for Islam in America, the two indefatigably issue position statements on anything remotely touching on Muslim or Arab affairs, reacting on everything from U.S. foreign policy to letters in college newspapers.

WorldNetDaily: American Islamic lobby gets out the vote

A controversial American Islamic advocacy group has planned a voter registration drive to coincide with the upcoming Muslim holiday at the end of the pilgrimage to Mecca.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations, alleged to have ties to terrorist groups such as Hamas, says "our goal, insha'Allah (if Allah wills), is to register more than 100,000 new Muslim voters over the next eight months."

"They may not admit it, but ultimately they want to make the U.S. a Muslim country," Steven Emerson, a leading anti-terrorism specialist, told WorldNetDaily.

"In the interim they want to acquire as much political power as possible to push their agenda, to be afforded legitimacy by political officials," Emerson said. "So this (voter drive) is part and parcel of their campaign."

CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper indicated in a 1993 interview with the Minneapolis Star Tribune that he wants to see the United States become a Muslim country.

"I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future," Hooper told the Star Tribune. "But I'm not going to do anything violent to promote that. I'm going to do it through education."

Emerson cites as evidence of CAIR's affinity for Hamas "their co-sponsorship of conferences calling for the death of Jews, statements on behalf of Hamas leaders, statements defending Iran and the Sudan and sponsorship of hate rallies where attacks on America are made."

Alamoudi, the former AMC director, was quoted at a Washington, D.C. rally, Oct. 28, 2000, saying: "I have been labeled by the media in New York to be a supporter of Hamas. We are all supporters of Hamas. I wish they added that I am also a supporter of Hezbollah."

CAIR seeks to underscore its political clout by citing a figure of about 7 million Muslims in the United States, but recent counts have come up with a much lower total. An evaluation of current estimates, conducted by Howard Fienberg and Iain Murray of the nonprofit, nonpartisan Statistical Assessment Service, concluded there are about 2 million U.S. Muslims. A recent study commissioned by the American Jewish Committee puts the number between 1.9 million and 2.8 million.

 

 

13 posted on 04/16/2003 11:45:23 AM PDT by Remedy
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To: breakem
They are celebrating a Christian holiday, not a Muslim holiday. It's not the business of the Muslims who work there who they bring in to lead a Christian service. Graham knows an evil when he sees it. Islam is NOT a religion of peace. It's evil. Period. That being said, we all know there are many good Muslims. We just haven't heard from them lately.
14 posted on 04/16/2003 11:45:39 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD is still in control!)
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To: RAT Patrol
Sell your rant to the Muslims/CAIR
15 posted on 04/16/2003 11:46:28 AM PDT by Remedy
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To: Marysecretary
under your logic, if Islam is a religion of evil, Christianity is an idiotic religion. Employees can certainly ask their employer not to have a speaker who has insulted their religion be invited to speak at the work place. And since their employer is the government, they have a right to speak up. Pick a minister who hasn't done that and shows respect for others.
16 posted on 04/16/2003 11:49:15 AM PDT by breakem
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To: Remedy
while your 13 is long and repititous of your original post. you failed to answer my question. If you need to preach so much, perjaps you can get an invite to the Pentagon at their annual Islam is Evil workshop. Peaceful moslems not invited of course.
17 posted on 04/16/2003 11:51:11 AM PDT by breakem
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To: breakem
In 1892, the Supreme Court stated that "this is a religious nation." Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 143 U.S. 457, 470 (1892). The Court has discussed the historical role of religion in our society and concluded that "[t]here is an unbroken history of official acknowledgment by all three branches of government of the role of religion in American life from at least 1789." Lynch v. Donnelly, 465 U.S. 668, 674 (1984). In Abington v. Schempp, 374 U.S. 203, 212 (1963), the Court recognized that "religion has been closely identified with our history and government." Such recognition is nowhere more affirmatively expressed than in Zorach where the Court stated that "[w]e are a religious people whose institutions presuppose a Supreme Being." 343 U.S. at 313. Nevertheless, this country has witnessed a long struggle over governmental acknowledgments of the religious identity of the people of the United States.

Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States -- 1892 Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind... ...It is impossible that it should be otherwise and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian. -- NOTE: Quoted 87 past legal precedents to back this up

As early as 1811, Chancellor James Kent, Chief Justice of New York's highest court, in validating a prohibition against blasphemy, stated unequivocally that "we are a Christian people, and the morality of this country is deeply engrafted upon Christianity, and not upon the doctrines or worship of [non- Christian] imposters." The legal argument for this view was perhaps most memorably made by Kent's contemporary, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, whose frequently quoted interpretation of the First Amendment, in his celebrated Commentaries on the Constitution, staunchly affirmed that Christianity was part of the common law. Jews in Christian America: The Pursuit of Religious Equality. By Naomi W. Cohen. Oxford University Press. 300 pp.

"I believe no one can read the history of our country without realizing that the Good Book and the spirit of the Savior have from the beginning been our guiding geniuses ... Whether we look to the first Charter of Virginia ... or to the Charter of New England ... or to the Charter of Massachusetts Bay ... or to the Fundamental Orders of Connecticut ... the same objective is present ... a Christian land governed by Christian principles. I believe the entire Bill of Rights came into being because of the knowledge our forefathers had of the Bible and their belief in it: freedom of belief, of expression, of assembly, of petition, the dignity of the individual, the sanctity of the home, equal justice under law, and the reservation of powers to the people ... I like to believe we are living today in the spirit of the Christian religion. I like also to believe that as long as we do so, no great harm can come to our country." -- [Liberal] Supreme Court chief justice, Earl Warren

"They [the Founding Fathers] were intent upon establishing a Christian commonwealth in accordance with the principle of self-government. They were an inspired body of men. It has been said that God sifted the nations that He might send choice grain into the wilderness ... Who can fail to see it in the hand of Destiny? Who can doubt that it has been guided by a Divine Providence?" -- Calvin Coolidge

"America was born a Christian nation. America was born to exemplify that devotion to the elements of righteousness which are derived from the revelations of the Holy Scripture." -- Woodrow Wilson

18 posted on 04/16/2003 11:53:17 AM PDT by Remedy
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To: breakem
I think liberals are evil but I believe in their right to exist. I think Satanism is evil but I even believe in its right to exist. I think dancing with snakes in a religious ceremony is nutso but I believe in a persons right to practice that religion.

Christians think Muslims are wrong; Muslims think Christians are wrong; Jews think Muslims are wrong; Muslims think Jews are evil, etc.... This can't come as a surprise to anyone. I don't see what the big deal is.

19 posted on 04/16/2003 11:56:29 AM PDT by RAT Patrol
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To: Marysecretary
What nonsense you spouted. Come back to lecture us all on another's valid religion once you are able to move mountains.
20 posted on 04/16/2003 11:56:33 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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