Liberal Methodist Leaders Call Bush to Repentance

AgapePress ^ | April 17, 2003 | Jody Brown and Bill Fancher

[scott7278]

I'm a Southern Baptist, and for the duration of the war we've been starting our services with The National Anthem and the Pledge of Allegiance. Nothing fake or phony, not preaching America but Christ -- just good, old-fashioned love for God and what He's provided by His gracious hand.

May the Lord be with you in your search -- the PCA is conservative, so is the Lutheran Church (Missouri Synod), Christian Reformed, Free Methodists (not UMC), Evangelical Free, Assembly of God, and the Christian Churches.

I love the SBC, but I would rather someone be in some other good, conservative church that preaches Christ and Christ crucified and risen, then a liberal one that denies any or all of the basic tenants of Christianity.

[Prov3456]

I am one of those.

For several years about a decade ago, I prayed that God would lead me out of the UMC, to ANYWHERE else with sound biblical theology. God must have a sense of humor, because I ended up as the President of the United Methodist Women's group (one of only a few positions in which the person must be a member of the church).

To make a long story short, I remain a United Methodist because I KNOW that is where the Lord wants me. It is hard at times, but there are many of us who stay because we believe the Lord wants us here. If/when He directs me elsewhere, I will go. Until then, I am doing what I can from within.

[MEG33]

God bless you.

[scott7278]

You have to understand that Jimmy Carter is part of the liberal wing of the SBC that is slowly losing it's power. Conservatives overtook them in numbers not too long ago and are slowly reversing the decay that liberalism always brings.

Bush is from the South, and that means his brand of Methodism is more conservative (back to the Wesleyan roots).

[My2Cents]

He points out that Bishop Sprague denies that Jesus Christ is eternally divine, Bishop Talbert has endorsed same-sex "marriage," and Winkler is a pacifist.

Enough said. Religious folks like this make people feel comfortable and justified as they ride the road to hell.

[NathanR]

I find the simplest explanation is often the best. Most likely these churches opposed the war, since they believed it to be immoral. Any draft dodgers avoiders (minor edit) would be junior clergy members at best during this time...they would certainly not have the pull to influence the senior policy making decisions.

Exactly. It may have not been deliberate. However, once they were in, they would have likely stayed in and risen to the top of the heirarchy, since that was what they would have been interested in. Not "Saving Souls".

That and making the world a "better" place.

[davisfh]

I grew up as a Methodist when there was no "united" in the
name. Over the years, I've watched this church as it
associated itself with the World Council of Churches and
other Communist organizations. Small wonder that they would
be espousing such dogma and propaganda at this time. I still
find it hard to believe that the beliefs of mainstream
Methodists are represented here.

[HumanaeVitae]

That's just because religion is the opium of the masses.

People are smoking religion now? What will they think of next?

I think you meant "opiate".

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

Repent this:

F-15E Strike Eagle, loaded

[My2Cents]

I don't think this is what was meant. LA has found little help and guidance from professional religionists, I think. I think that's what she's saying. Too many people were "called" into the ministry who know little about the reality of the presence of God in the person of Christ who now resides in His people. Every true Christian finds others of like-spirit to fellowship with. In fact, some of the deepest fellowship I've experienced has been outside the confines of the edifice known as the local church. True fellowship cannot take place staring at the back of someone's head for an hour listen to someone certified as "seminary-trained" gives a monologue. Church, in the traditional sense, has failed many true believers. And "gathering together" doesn't have to take place on Sunday in the often highly-contrived, heavily-controlled environment of "church."

[My2Cents]

Christian Missionary Alliance. Founded by A.B. Simpson, and perhaps its most famous preacher, A.W. Tozer.

[My2Cents]

In the interest of humility, maybe you should be called, "The Last Baptist Church of ...." LOL

[aruanan]

Preach it to someone else.

Remember those words.

[My2Cents]

Ahhh... A picture beauty.

[nmh]

These folks are fulfilling prophecy:

2Thes.2:3

[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

The "falling away" is a reference to religious leaders and their "church". There aren't many clergy left that take the Word of God to heart and preach it. Most don't know what's in it and just preach what they'd prefer to believe as in this situation. What Bush did here is Biblically justified.

[nmh]

"I challenge anybody to find a true man of God in any church today."

It's like looking for a needle in a haystack.

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

No doubt. Is that a mondo bomb-load or what?!

[Krodg]

I'm a member of a Southern Baptist church and we're very patriotic here too. We don't like war and don't want war, however we are not blind to the need for war. While we support our troops and acknowledge them at every service, we don't turn away from preaching the Word. We need the Lord's message to the world, now more than ever.

[Krodg]

I'll bring that up at the next business meeting.....don't think I'll be too well liked though....LOL