[Carry_Okie]

That is a pretty fair representation, that exactly matches what I've predicted many times. Fortunately, there was also a good outcome, for now.

The only thing that made taking over the local Sierra Club possible was a large enough and wealthy enough contingent to get it done. Timber landowners, having already been decimated by the State, weren't so lucky. My guess is that, having failed locally, the State is where the RICOnuts will go next.

[Grampa Dave]

I thought of you when this happened. The former head of the local Club Sierra and his two outed envirals were stunned and predicatably poed.

Many of these vineyard owners have informed Baghdad Mike Thompson not to try anything on a national level re vineyard and small farm so called drainage controls. He needs their donations which is another story. He may just wake up some day to a list of the wine makers and vineyard owners who donate money to him. Many of us consider him to be no better than the French re his pro Iraqi stance.