How has the "Assault Weapons" ban affected you?

vanity-self | 4/19/03 | self

[Wild Game]

Has the "Assault Weapons" ban prevented you from enjoying, purchasing, selling or trading firearms? How? How did it not change anything for you?

[Lazamataz]

Where did your humor go?

I get really serious on certain issues.... 2A issues, and my humor sometimes disappears.

Plus I have allergies today.

And I ain't gotten any in a few days.

All these add up to make me mightily pissed off.

[Wild Game]

I never wanted the ban renewed!

I just can't see voting in liberals because of this one issue.

Do you? Will you not vote or vote against Bush if Congress passes this piece of crap and sends it to Bush to sign, and he signs it.

I'm opposed to the ban, and yes, more educated as to how harmful it really is. I bet many lurkers are smarter now too. That was the thread's purpose.

[Lazamataz]

If he finds them at those prices, they will definitely be LEO only mags, and that could get him a felony conviction. But that is the whole point of your request, which I think he is beginning to understand.

BTW: I think he did get it. If I educated one more mind, then my job here is done.

[Lazamataz]

Will you not vote or vote against Bush

Vote against? No. But probably not vote for.

I never vote for ANYONE who has directly betrayed me.

[B4Ranch]

Classic stuff ... good hearty stocks that whole trees were sacrificed for.

LOL You are a tree hugger too, huh? Atta boy!

[error99]

"...And I ain't gotten any in a few days...
...All these add up to make me mightily pissed off"
- -
Hell, lately I seem to be pissed off ALL the time,
and I did not realize the cause. - So THATS what it is.
(After 27 years of marriage, there apparently is no cure for my ailment.)

[William Terrell]

. . .any law abiding citizen can get fully automatic military weapons today.

Egreguious legislation is never meant to remedy today; it's meant to remedy a couple decades from its passage. Another attribute of legislation is that it can be amended once it is settled in the Code. Legislation with a sunset is hands off; legislation with the sunset removed will not stay as it is if it has any potential to transfer sovereign power from individuals to the government.

Make no mistake, both major parties want guns restricted and finally removed from the hands of citizens, whether republicrat or demoblican. There are serious and accelerating efforts toward socialist systems, many of which, yet to come, will not get past an armed citizentry. There is the looming bankruptcy and failure of the welfare system without chocks put in place, as per the preceeding sentence, that every person will percieve, and will actually be, as tyranny.

Today the only opposite concept to stark cynicism toward politicians and government is abject gullibility. All governemnt seeks to acquire more sovereignty form its citizens, without exception. It is the nature of the beast, and cannot stop until said government has either collapsed, been overthrown or owns all sovereign power as in a dictatorship.

[Wild Game]

Well, the way I see it, if you convert your Glock to black powder only, no problem. Lots of powder, caps, and balls.

The only thing I seem to be able to get for $29 and plenty of them, are some slightly leaking Brazilian gas mask. In cases of 12.

Ok, your point is made.

I'm wrong in some statements. But I don't regret making them, otherwise I'd walk around thnking I was right. We need to make damn sure this thing dies in Congress. I'll apply my greatest efforts.

Thanks...

[edsheppa]

The biggest effect on me is skipping over the posts about it on FR.

Oh, I did get a chuckle out of the idea that a backlash will cost Bush the election.

[CyberAnt]

One of the arguments I kept hearing was that if we had a national emergency, and police were in short supply, we might need this type of weapon in the hands of legal owners - and not the gangs or looters who might own them.

Anybody agree ...??

[HamiltonJay]

Again, your arguments are flawed. Nearly ALL legislation, short of constitutional ammendments come up for renewal every so many years. Now granted most legislation renewal is a near lock, but it is not open ended. The ban is being discussed right now for that very reason, its up for renewal.

[MatthewViti]

bull$hit

[I got the rope]

Since the ban's signing and its enforcement, I've been able to buy 20, 30, 40, 50, and 75 round mags, an AK47, a couple of SKS's, shotguns, a Tech 9 by intratech (before Harris and Kleibol had one!), large cap mags for anything, even a 30 rounder for my Browning Hi-Power 9mm (LOL Don't know why!). I've purchased weapons made in China, Serbia, Russia, and Romania.

And what was the "mark up" for those cheaply made magazines?

[MatthewViti]

wake up!

"The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedience, and by parts." Edmund Burke Letter to the Sheriffs of Bristol, April 3, 1777

"In countries under arbitrary government, the people oppressed and dispirited neither possess arms nor know how to use them. Tyrants never feel secure until they have disarmed the people." - Unknown Author, from the Connecticut Courant, 1788

"The most foolish mistake we could possible make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms ..." - Adolph Hitler, German Dictator

"Rome remained free for four hundred years and Sparta eight hundred, although their citizens were armed all that time; but many other states that have been disarmed have lost their liberties in less than forty years." - Niccolo Machiavelli, 16th Century Italian Political Theorist

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." - Thomas Jefferson, Author of the Declaration of Independence, 3rd President of the United States

"Those who are trying to read the Second Amendment out of the Constitution by claiming it's not an individual right are courting disaster by encouraging others to use the same means to eliminate portions of the Constitution they don't like." - Alan Dershowitz, Harvard Law School

"One who values his life and takes seriously hi responsibilities to his family and community ... will be armed, will be trained in the use of his weapon, and will defend himself when faced with lethal violence." - Jeffrey R. Snyder, American author, from 'A Nation of Cowards'

"The Constitution should never be construed to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." - Samuel Adams, Organizer of the 'Boston Tea Party' and signer of the Declaration of Independence

"One of the ordinary modes, by which tyrants accomplish their purpose without resistance is, by disarming the people, and making it an offense to keep arms ..." - Joseph Story, U.S. Supreme Court Justice

"The great object is that every man be armed ... Everyone who is able may have a gun." - Patrick Henry, American Revolutionary who spurred the creation of the Virginia Militia with his words, 'Give me liberty or give me death.'

"The rights of conscience, of bearing arms, of changing the government, are declared to be inherent in the people." Fisher Ames in a letter to F.R. Minoe, June 12, 1789, in 1 Works of Fisher Ames at 53-54, (1854)

"The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." Edmund Burke Speech at County Meeting of Bucks, 1784

[MatthewViti]

I agree

[Consort]

Those are significant quotes. My post was not significant, but it's valid.

[Dane]

I never vote for ANYONE who has directly betrayed me.

Sheesh you guys really go over the top. This was a 2000 campaign position and you know it, but what the hey that would take all the fun out of your dramatics.

[I got the rope]

That's BS and you know it. The price of firearms has sky rocketed!

At one time the government saw to it that I be trained to kill with a .45 Auto, M92 Beretta, M16A1, M203, AT4, .50 BMG, and S.A.W....etc.

Now I can't even carry a .38 into a restaurant or in a public park to defend my family without some elitist politicians permission. I carry anyway just like you, but now I'm considered to be violating the law.

By the way, I'm part of the "good honest everyday folk", I make 57K a year and I cannot afford a new .45 Colt...it will run you over a grand for one.

Bush is either with us, or he is with the Demonrats!

[B4Ranch]

I'm looking for more understanding on how its hurt Americans and their rights.

Rights is what you are worried about. Okay, no problem. Patriot Act and Patriot Act #2

Are you old enough to remember when all the ranchers carried their rifles in the gun rack inside their pick-ups. I do.

Are you old enough to remember when you could buy ammo, a handgun or a rifle without identification?

What this gun control stuff is, is denying you your rights whether you used them or not. The founders didn't add the 2nd Amendment on a slow day. They discussed the potential need for it for months then worded it very carefully.

[ConservativeLawyer]

Over here!