Posted on 04/19/2003 2:05:26 PM PDT by ASTM366
As I do each year, I post information to commemorate the attack by FBI agents in military vehicles on the Branch Davidians compound near Waco, Texas on April 19, 1993.
The Branch Davidians, a reclusive group of Christian believers, had been attacked 51 days earlier by over 100 heavily armed BATF agents, surrounded and subjected to psychological warfare techniques by government agents. On April 19th the feds sent in military vehicles to fill the building at the Branch Davidian compound with chemical agents to flush out the remaining occupants. What resulted was a fire that burned to death nearly all the occupants; INNOCENT men, women, children and infants. Some committed suicide by self inflicted gunshot.
To this day the federal government has never accepted responsibility for the events of 1993, nor have they apologized for their ugly and glaring display of unchecked power.
In a tragic and spectacular act of revenge, Timothy McVeigh and his associates carbombed the offices of the BATF and FBI in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995.
It would seem you protest to much. Guilty are you?
the fire was started by feds. DO you believe the feds reports?
I am aware that my government made a mistake in Waco.
I am aware that my government made a mistake in Waco.
Perhaps one day you'll think something the government doesn't like and they'll come after you, too. And they'll lay seige to your family and your friends and your house and your neighborhood and finally burn you to death.
Some people say that it would serve you right if no one came to your aid. But you are lucky there are those of us who speak out and fight against this kind of abuse, even for people like you.
How many weapons does it take to create an "arsenal"? I need to know so that I can get rid of a few so that I'm not over the limit.
You state the obvious.
A judge hadn't signed an order huh?
Now THAT would be criminal.
Somehow, though, I think you're trying to play 'word games' with us - like Bill Clintoon used to do - and mislead us into believing NO warrant existed!
Silly you - you're trying to lie!
Federal arrest warrant for VWH case number W93-17m (for Vernon Wayne Howell aka David Koresh) was issued in believe that he was in unlawful possession of an unregistered destructive device in violation of 26 USC.See - you WERE trying to play word games with us (or WERE you trying to simply lie?)!Federal Search Warrant Case Number W93-15M (for Mount Carmel Center) was issued on the probable cause to believe that unregistered machineguns and destructive devices were being concealed in violation of both 18 and 26 USC.
From: http://www.carolmoore.net/waco/waco-affidavit.html
Now let's say that the Davidians did fire in self defense during the initial entry: I don't believe it for an instant but lets's say it for the sake of argument.
Their continued resistance after the agents withdrew still put the Davidians on the wrong side of the law.
No, the Davidians were the authors of their own demise and there's no other conclusion that reasonable people can reach.
I believe there were grave mistakes made by the Justice Dept. and some top brass, but these mistakes did not give the Davidians the right to resist by force.
The only place that they could legally have battled was in the federal courts.
The Davidians, not the federal agents on the scene, were the bad guys.
Those 'experts' who did the work - do I trust their work do you mean?
The work/reports I've examined look sane - no obvious or even any subtle attepmts to 'snow' or mislead a non-technical or public audience.
A lot of this work/these reports also got published in other professional science and forensic journals by the people who did the reports - and THESE things get 'peer reviewed by others in the same technical field - sort of a FreeRepublic-type review - before being published ... people's reputations (just like on FR) can get made or 'damaged' by publishing fabricated un-scientific works - so there is some 'pressure' to do things right or someone will 'call' the author on it!
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