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Rowan Williams apologises to Freemasons
Telegraph (UK) ^ | 20/04/2003 | Chris Hastings and Elizabeth Day

Posted on 04/22/2003 1:54:17 AM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: American in Israel
"Having read a 33rd Degree Masonry text on the proper rites to worship Lucifer the Morning Star,

What the hell are you talking about? I am a Mason and have never heard of such a text.

61 posted on 04/22/2003 7:44:28 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Get High on Life, Not Drugs)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Three identical posts? Looks like you are starting the flaming. But idiot drivel such as his comment deserves to be banned not flammed.
62 posted on 04/22/2003 7:47:01 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Get High on Life, Not Drugs)
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To: anniegetyourgun
I can only hope that my relative saw and accepted the true Light of the world before he passed - rather than the so-called light promised in Masonic ritual.

In spite of your 33rd degree relative, You sadly don't have a clue about Masonry. Masons are not taught to seek any "light", but if we were it would be God.

The only real requirement to join is Masonic Lodge is that the candidate must profess his belief in God.

63 posted on 04/22/2003 7:53:08 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Get High on Life, Not Drugs)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
Sorry. The server froze.
64 posted on 04/22/2003 8:16:18 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck
No problem. Meant it as a joke anyway.
65 posted on 04/22/2003 8:22:49 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Get High on Life, Not Drugs)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
More seriously, where does one ever look up firsthand material to either disprove or confirm what is stated in critiques like this?

http://www.angelfire.com/mac/freemasonry/index.html

I assume the local Masonic lodge won't just let me, a non Mason, saunter in and start reading through their bookshelves...

66 posted on 04/22/2003 8:32:09 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Qwerty; .45MAN; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; Antoninus; aposiopetic; ...
People living in fear of the Masons is just way too kooky.

Today I would like to recall for you the Mexican Catholics who, some 70 years ago, rose up against Freemasonry for the social reign of our Lord Jesus Christ. They were called the Cristeros....In 1988, Miguel Pro (a Jesuit) was the first Cristero to be beatified. Born in 1891, he was obliged to take refuge in France in order to continue his studies. He was ordained at Amiens in 1925. Having returned clandestinely to Mexico in July 1926, he was shot on November 23, 1927, along with his brother who was also a Cristero, while crying out: "Long live Christ the King!" .... On the Feast of Christ the King, 1992,33 Pope John Paul II beatified 26 other Cristeros (22 of whom were priests). Let us name some of them: Salvador Lara Puente, employee, killed in 1926, aged 21; Atilano Cruz Alvadaro, ordained on Sept. 14, 1927, and killed July 1, 1928; or Manuel Morales, born in 1898, Catholic trade unionist, married and the father of three young children, who said before his execution: "I die, but God does not die; He will take care of my wife and children." "Dios no muere."...These were the last words of Garcia Moreno, President of Ecuador, assassinated by the Freemasons in 1875.

67 posted on 04/22/2003 8:54:19 AM PDT by Polycarp ("He who denies the existence of God, has some reason for wishing that God did not exist.")
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I assume the local Masonic lodge won't just let me, a non Mason, saunter in and start reading through their bookshelves...

LOL, I guess we must be a poor Masonic lodge cause we don't have any bookshelves.

But to get serious, or as they say around the FR, "series" I am always amazed how a thread like this which is actually a positive story for Masonry, will prompt the anti-Masonic posts. Anti-Masonic posts usually run from, the "I have a relative who is a Mason", or I read some book on Masonry which says that this about Masonry....." We live in a free and open society with our right to say or print anything guaranteed by the first amendment.

To cut to the chase. Only one thing is required of a candidate wishing to join the Masonic Lodge. That is, that he profess a belief in God. The rituals of the order are beautiful and symbolic.

Masons and their affiliate bodies, i.e, the Shriners maintain many philanthropic and charitable organizations. I am most proud of our "free treatment" centers for children who have been burned in a fire, or born with orthopaedic disorders.

The only other thread which will prompt more "anti" comments is for someone to post a thread pertaining to the United Methodist Church, of which I am also a member. So maybe, LOL, you should take my comments with a "grain of salt" as it were.

68 posted on 04/22/2003 9:05:55 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Get High on Life, Not Drugs)
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To: American in Israel
BTTT!
69 posted on 04/22/2003 9:12:27 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: narses
Yes
70 posted on 04/22/2003 9:13:32 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; American in Israel
I think HiTech RedNeck is trying to warn you to brace yourself for the flames.

<vbg>

71 posted on 04/22/2003 9:15:15 AM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: narses
Good article
72 posted on 04/22/2003 9:15:27 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: narses
Being a Mason is one of the ten things that gets you excommunicated from the Catholic Church in Brskewitz's Diocese.
73 posted on 04/22/2003 9:16:34 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: narses
Brskewitz's

Bruskewitz's
74 posted on 04/22/2003 9:17:22 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: P.O.E.
Don't worry; we won't.
75 posted on 04/22/2003 9:22:32 AM PDT by 5Madman2 (DemocRATS are Vermin)
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To: Skooz; nickcarraway; Polycarp
Questions and Answers from EWTN -- Freemasonry
Click on the General Questions and then a list with Freemasonry comes up.

Freemasonry


Declaration on Masonic Associations (Quaesitum est)

English Translation of a Latin Document from the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith November 26, 1983

It has been asked whether there has been any change in the Church's decision in regard to Masonic associations since the new Code of Canon Law does not mention them expressly, unlike the previous code.

This sacred congregation is in a position to reply that this circumstance is due to an editorial criterion which was followed also in the case of other associations likewise unmentioned inasmuch as they are contained in wider categories.

Therefore, the Church's negative judgment in regard to Masonic associations remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable
with the doctrine of the Church and, therefore, membership in them remains forbidden. The faithful, who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave
sin and may not receive Holy Communion.

It is not within the competence of local ecclesiastical authorities to give a judgment on the nature of Masonic associations which would imply a derogation from what
has been decided above, and this in line with the declaration of this sacred congregation issued Feb. 17,1981. [1]

In an audience granted to the undersigned cardinal prefect, the Supreme Pontiff John Paul II approved and ordered the publication of this declaration which had
been decided in an ordinary meeting of this sacred congregation.

Rome, from the Office of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Nov. 26, 1983

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, Prefect
Father Jerome Hamer, O.P. Titular Archbishop of Lorium, Secretary

1. Cf. AAS 73 (1981) pp. 240-241.

[This and other Church documents, as well as theological articles, are in our Library. Keyword Search: masonry]

As the declaration of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on Masonry says, no Catholic may be a Mason. By grave sin the Church means that to continue as a Mason in contempt of this decision of the Supreme Pontiff, Pope John Paul II, is grave matter, which together with knowledge of that fact and free choice makes for mortal sin. Such a person would be unable to receive Holy Communion until such time as he renounced Masonry and went to Confession. You will also notice that the statement of Cardinal Ratzinger says that the local priest or even a bishop has no authority to change this.

Someone who was not aware of these facts would, of course, not be guilty of mortal sin. However, once a Catholic is aware of the Church's position, he is obliged to follow it. From that point forward, to disregard the judgment of the Church would be, as the Congregation declares, seriously wrong.

Some have tried to say that American Masonry is different from European Masonry, which has a history of plotting against the government and the Church. The basic problem with all Masonry, however, is that it is a society which fosters a religious- philosophical attitude of indifference to religious truth, even substituting its own naturalistic dogma and rituals for those of Christianity. Such indifference is incompatible with belief in the Holy Trinity and the Incarnation. We may not "play-act" in the lodge of the Great Architect on Thursday night, then worship "in spirit and in truth" on Sunday morning at the altar of Our Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the unique Lord and Redeemer of the Universe, the Word-made-flesh who reveals the Father, and who together with the Father sends the Holy Spirit. The Creed and the Masonic oath are irreconcilable!

Masonry is not the Jaycees, in which people of all religions and philosophies come together to work on local business problems. Masonry has its own religious and philosophical worldview, its own religious language, its rituals and its morality. In the library of every lodge you will find Albert Pike's Morals and Dogma. A top American Mason, he is the greatest writer on the real meaning behind Masonic beliefs and rituals. Even the title of his book shows that Masonry has a morality and a doctrine. If they are not Catholic morality and Catholic doctrine, and in fact they aren't even Christian, a Catholic or any Christian may not follow them. This is why, since the 1700s the popes have consistently rejected Freemasonry as incompatible with the faith. The motives and works of most masons may be good and benign, but this does not change the choice which the Catholic has to make between the religious philosophy of masonry and that of Catholicism.

If you wish to learn more you can go to any Protestant or Catholic bookstore and find books and pamphlets that show why Masonry and Christianity is incompatible. (Not only Rome, but also the Church of England and the Southern Baptists have ruled so.) I especially recommend the encyclical letter of Pope Leo, which is available from the Daughters of St. Paul in Boston (1-800-876-4463).


Answered by Colin B. Donovan, STL

76 posted on 04/22/2003 9:34:44 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
membership in them remains forbidden. The faithful, who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion.
77 posted on 04/22/2003 9:36:54 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
What does EWTN say about child molesting priests?
78 posted on 04/22/2003 9:37:52 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Get High on Life, Not Drugs)
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To: onedoug
fyi
79 posted on 04/22/2003 9:39:57 AM PDT by windcliff
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To: Salvation
Masonry is not the Jaycees, in which people of all religions and philosophies come together to work on local business problems. Masonry has its own religious and philosophical worldview, its own religious language, its rituals and its morality. In the library of every lodge you will find Albert Pike's Morals and Dogma. A top American Mason, he is the greatest writer on the real meaning behind Masonic beliefs and rituals. Even the title of his book shows that Masonry has a morality and a doctrine. If they are not Catholic morality and Catholic doctrine, and in fact they aren't even Christian, a Catholic or any Christian may not follow them. This is why, since the 1700s the popes have consistently rejected Freemasonry as incompatible with the faith. The motives and works of most masons may be good and benign, but this does not change the choice which the Catholic has to make between the religious philosophy of masonry and that of Catholicism.

If you wish to learn more you can go to any Protestant or Catholic bookstore and find books and pamphlets that show why Masonry and Christianity is incompatible. (Not only Rome, but also the Church of England and the Southern Baptists have ruled so.) I especially recommend the encyclical letter of Pope Leo, which is available from the Daughters of St. Paul in Boston (1-800-876-4463).

This is unmitigated crap.

80 posted on 04/22/2003 9:40:12 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Get High on Life, Not Drugs)
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