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Rowan Williams apologises to Freemasons
Telegraph (UK) ^ | 20/04/2003 | Chris Hastings and Elizabeth Day

Posted on 04/22/2003 1:54:17 AM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: AxelPaulsenJr
"The only real requirement to join is Masonic Lodge is that the candidate must profess his belief in God."

Yes, I'm well aware of that. But, of course, that doesn't necessarily mean the God of Holy Scripture.

81 posted on 04/22/2003 9:42:27 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: RushLake
but are not in any way affiliated with the craft?

"...the craft." Ha ha ha.
82 posted on 04/22/2003 9:42:43 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Polycarp
I have several books on Freemasonry, it truly is "mankinds hidden enemy."

To me it's no wonder that the UN and Freemasonry are so intertwined, the UN is full of Masonic principles, especially Naturalism, which Pope Leo XIII speaks of so well.

83 posted on 04/22/2003 9:43:06 AM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: anniegetyourgun
I can assure you that it does.
84 posted on 04/22/2003 9:43:48 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Get High on Life, Not Drugs)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
Well, that explains the membership of both LDS and Muslims in the same organization!
85 posted on 04/22/2003 9:46:25 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: AxelPaulsenJr; HiTech RedNeck
I assume the local Masonic lodge won't just let me, a non Mason, saunter in and start reading through their bookshelves...
LOL, I guess we must be a poor Masonic lodge cause we don't have any bookshelves. But to get serious, or as they say around the FR, "series" I am always amazed how a thread like this which is actually a positive story for Masonry, will prompt the anti-Masonic posts. Anti-Masonic posts usually run from, the "I have a relative who is a Mason", or I read some book on Masonry which says that this about Masonry....." We live in a free and open society with our right to say or print anything guaranteed by the first amendment. To cut to the chase. Only one thing is required of a candidate wishing to join the Masonic Lodge. That is, that he profess a belief in God. The rituals of the order are beautiful and symbolic. Masons and their affiliate bodies, i.e, the Shriners maintain many philanthropic and charitable organizations. I am most proud of our "free treatment" centers for children who have been burned in a fire, or born with orthopaedic disorders. The only other thread which will prompt more "anti" comments is for someone to post a thread pertaining to the United Methodist Church, of which I am also a member. So maybe, LOL, you should take my comments with a "grain of salt" as it were.
All that chatter and yet you don’t address the issue. If we want to read the rituals of the Masonic lodges, where do we find them? If you want to know what a Catholic believes, you read the Bible and the catechism. If you want to know what is said in the Rite of the Mass, I can give you an online link that has it word for word. Or you could just go to a Church and sit in the back, anytime you want. We won't kick you out. The same doesn't seem to be true for Masons, they only let you into a couple watered down things, from what I can tell. Where can we find the Rites for a 33rd degree Mason? As you said:
The rituals of the order are beautiful and symbolic.
That’s nice of you to say, but meaningless. Where does the poster who asked about them above find them? People all over the place have misperceptions about what Catholics believe. When we respond to those misperceptions we don't just say Catholicism is beautiful. We provide them the actual faith, give them the source material.

I've never seen a Mason do that. Perhaps you could be the first. What is the ritual for becoming a 33rd degree Mason, for example?

patent  +AMDG

86 posted on 04/22/2003 9:48:42 AM PDT by patent (A baby is God's opinion that life should go on. Carl Sandburg)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
What does EWTN say about child molesting priests?
That its wrong. You hurl insults, yet you completely fail to address any of the issues. You fail to support all your claims.

Try to change the subject all you like, the fact is that Masonry is incompatible with the First and Second Commandments.

patent  +AMDG

87 posted on 04/22/2003 9:51:11 AM PDT by patent (A baby is God's opinion that life should go on. Carl Sandburg)
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To: American in Israel
Tell me, do you know who the Shriners and what they have done for this country?
88 posted on 04/22/2003 9:51:32 AM PDT by Paul C. Jesup (I prefer the motto.. In God We Trust)
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To: patent
Bet your gonna get a 'I don't "Know-Nothing" about the 33rd degree Mason ritual...
89 posted on 04/22/2003 9:54:23 AM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: All
Who can be a Freemason?
In their own words: "Any man who is at least 21, is law-abiding, of good character and believes in God, can become a Freemason. The order is not restricted to Protestants: it is open to all men of all faiths, such as Jews, Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs. Contrary to popular belief, the Order has many Roman Catholics in its membership."

Therefore, all are welcome, though all do not serve the same God.

90 posted on 04/22/2003 9:54:46 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
You must have at least one book, on how to conduct the ceremonies and rituals. Surely you guys don't commit it all to memory!
91 posted on 04/22/2003 9:56:05 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: American in Israel
Tell me, do you know who the Shriners ARE? And what they have done for this country?
92 posted on 04/22/2003 9:56:19 AM PDT by Paul C. Jesup (I prefer the motto.. In God We Trust)
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To: anniegetyourgun
Syncretism defined.
93 posted on 04/22/2003 9:59:27 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Tell me, do you know who the Shriners ARE?

Are they a sect of freemasonry? Just wondering.

94 posted on 04/22/2003 10:04:53 AM PDT by conservonator (Just wondering)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Does one have to subscribe to a certain philosophy, a certain doctrine, about who God is, to be a Shriner? Far be it from me to say that God has not done much good in the world through the actions of Shriners; I do not seek to dispute that matter. The question is whether in doing so they paint a distorted, occultic picture of God, a picture which is much further from Catholic, Jewish, and Protestant conceptions than any one of those three is from the others.
95 posted on 04/22/2003 10:09:06 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: anniegetyourgun
Hindus and Sikhs

Broooooooooooooo-ther. Reincarnate me as a cow, I'm outta here. [/humor]

96 posted on 04/22/2003 10:10:21 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: anniegetyourgun
Here's an interesting bit of history.

Did you know there stands in Washington D.C., at the corner of 4th & C St.'s a monument to a Confederate Civil War General?

I would think maybe Robert E. Lee, or Stonewall Jackson.

The statue of the Confederate General is that of Albert Pike, author of the Masonic "Morals and Dogma."

I understand the statue stands on public property. I wonder why those who want the "Stars and Bars" torn down all over the country haven't demanded that this statue be torn down.

97 posted on 04/22/2003 10:12:18 AM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Cap'n Crunch
An interesting trivium is that the Bible that Presidents swear in upon, came from a Masonic lodge (though it's an orthodox Christian translation, a King James)
98 posted on 04/22/2003 10:16:12 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Cap'n Crunch
An interesting trivium is that the Bible that Presidents swear in upon, came from a Masonic lodge (though it's an orthodox Christian translation, a King James)
99 posted on 04/22/2003 10:16:19 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Cap'n Crunch
Bet your gonna get a 'I don't "Know-Nothing" about the 33rd degree Mason ritual...
But, I thought the Masons were open now, with no secrets? I don’t find it all that likely that they don’t have a ritual for when a man enterers a new level of Masonry. You mark each passage to a new degree with some sort of ceremony. So, the rituals must be open, and must be available right?

That or something isn’t right with this picture.

patent  +AMDG

100 posted on 04/22/2003 10:18:38 AM PDT by patent (A baby is God's opinion that life should go on. Carl Sandburg)
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