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Gay airman’s ouster re-ignites debate
Dayton Daily News ^ | 22 April 2003 | Amelia Robinson

Posted on 04/22/2003 9:46:32 AM PDT by Deadeye Division

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1 posted on 04/22/2003 9:46:33 AM PDT by Deadeye Division
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To: Deadeye Division
"It's an acknowledgement that gay soldiers can fight and do fight," Frank said. "They do not undermine military effectiveness. When the military needs gay soldiers, it looks the other way."

If I was in a firefight and someone was busy watching my ass instead of my back, I'm afraid there might be "friendly fire".
2 posted on 04/22/2003 9:50:11 AM PDT by DeathfromBelow
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To: Deadeye Division
Why do these bone-smokers keep popping up? Because they are what they do, and "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" catches more of the fudge-packers than did the outright prohibition against military service. If they don't want to be caught, don't join.
3 posted on 04/22/2003 9:50:11 AM PDT by quark
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They miss understood the "if you got 'em, smoke 'em" call.
4 posted on 04/22/2003 9:51:02 AM PDT by DeathfromBelow
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To: Deadeye Division
Tens of thousands of service members are gay, bisexual or lesbian, Ralls said.

"There's no way to know for sure," he said. "Most gay service men and women serve in the closet."

Then how does he know there are tens of thousands?
5 posted on 04/22/2003 9:51:54 AM PDT by dighton
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To: Deadeye Division
Put him in the Iraq peacekeeping force and make him laison to some Shiites
6 posted on 04/22/2003 9:53:18 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Deadeye Division
Senior Airman Jason Pickart was slated to deploy in May. But just weeks before the start of the United States’ war with Iraq, the 20-year-old gay Dayton resident was booted from the Air Force...

Nathaniel Frank, a research fellow with the center, said homosexual discharge rates have dropped during every major conflict since World War II.

Mr. Frank wants to be the first to say that airmen Pickart is not a coward. Sheesh.

5.56mm

7 posted on 04/22/2003 9:55:34 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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Since there isn't any thing more to slam President Bush over, I feel we will hear more about this garbage in the future... I am glad the armed services are cleaning up. Now if they would only remove women from serving along side the ground troops in a hot zone, everyone would be safer. Thoughts?
Best wishes...
8 posted on 04/22/2003 9:56:05 AM PDT by Terridan (God, help us deliver these Islamic savage animals BACK into hell where they belong...)
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To: DeathfromBelow
Good Riddance. Ass monkeys in the military only hurts moral.
9 posted on 04/22/2003 9:59:35 AM PDT by ohioman
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"I didn’t understand the logic of it,” [don't ask, don't tell] said the former medical technician

So, he knew the rules: Don't stick your wang where it doesn't belong.

10 posted on 04/22/2003 9:59:55 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Deadeye Division
Easy to read suspicious motives into stuff like this. Let's say I joined the military as a job, never intending to go to Iraq to possibly be killed (the liberals all said it would be a bloodbath). Then, it becomes obvious (last October/November) that something is going to happen there. Perhaps, to get out of having to fight, I drop the "I'm gay" news in just the right place so it gets out (doesn't this guy understand the "Don't tell" part?). I accomplish my goal, don't have to go, getting out of the service on a dishonorable is an acceptable price to pay to save my skin.

But then the Iraq thing turns out to be a turkey shoot and it's over in days, with no more wars likely during my hitch. Suddenly, it isn't looking so smart to have maneuvered myself out of having to serve, especially in a tight job market. Maybe time to hit the media and start crying about my constitutional rights?

Easy to be suspicious. Nobody but him knows the real story. Patton definitely would have slapped the guy. ;)

11 posted on 04/22/2003 10:01:42 AM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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"Most gay service men and women serve in the closet."

And military adulturers are serving in the closet also....because they don't want their actions known

So.........everyone gets treated fairly.
12 posted on 04/22/2003 10:04:21 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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"My sexuality has nothing to do with my job performance. It’s not relevant at all," said the graduate of St. John’s Military School in Kansas.

But his running around advertising it, and constantly seeking approval and "celebration" from others for his perversion, affects THEIR job performance.

The expulsion was justified and prudent. Don't ask - don't tell means just that.

13 posted on 04/22/2003 10:05:56 AM PDT by jimt (Is your church BATF approved?)
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" 'My sexuality has nothing to do with my job performance. It’s not relevant at all,' said the graduate of St. John’s Military School in Kansas."


"The homosexual movement has a history of trying to claw its way into places its agenda doesn’t belong, not for the betterment of mankind, but simply to legitimize and normalize perverse behavior. This is apparent in the all-too-common need of homosexuals to declare their sexuality rather than simply do the job they sign on to do.

This is extremely detrimental - first, it creates conflict with others as most believe homosexuality to be wrong, and it shows that the full efforts of the employed homosexual are not going towards performing the task at hand but largely to declaring their lifestyle..."

The homosexual movement is marked by two major tendencies: the tendency to continually infiltrate all good aspects of society; and once they have achieved that, the tendency to destroy this good. Public education, the Boy Scouts, the military, and now the Catholic Church have been targeted, and all have been hurt by the effects of homosexuality..."

-- Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, Homosexual Priests: A Time for Truth, The Washington Dispatch, May 6, 2002



14 posted on 04/22/2003 10:09:07 AM PDT by EdReform
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The military is just not the place for sex. Gay or Straight sex, it doesn't matter. Which is why I don't think women should be in "hot" zones either. There are more important things for GIs to do than think about who they want to be sleeping with.
15 posted on 04/22/2003 10:14:31 AM PDT by narby (Fox News = America's News Network)
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To: DeathfromBelow
As the drill sergeant moved behind the soldier in the shower room, he placed his hands on the soldiers wet shoulders. the soldier asked, "Hey Sarge', whatcha doing back there?", He replied, "Don't ask! and Don't Tell!"
16 posted on 04/22/2003 10:19:16 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (If I keep my eyes on Jesus, I could walk on water - Audio Adrenaline)
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I didn't know that puns were allowed in this place:

During times of conflict, the discharge rate for homosexuals...

...(Gay discharges) declined ...

...such discharges usually decline...

17 posted on 04/22/2003 10:29:03 AM PDT by Andiceman
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I would prefer the prior complete exclusion be reinstated. (With hitlary on the military subcomittee, I don't know if this is viable. Isn't she up in 2006.)
18 posted on 04/22/2003 1:24:22 PM PDT by longtermmemmory
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"My sexuality has nothing to do with my job performance. It’s not relevant at all," said the graduate of St. John’s Military School in Kansas.


Okay, so if it's not relevant, why not keep it to yourself?
19 posted on 04/22/2003 1:40:33 PM PDT by MEGoody
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To: ohioman
Discharge of airman bad policy
By Mary McCarty
e-mail address: mary_mccarty@coxohio.com
Dayton Daily News

Jason Pickart blended in with the lunchtime crowd at Oregon Emporium on Thursday afternoon: stylishly spiked blond hair, casual chic attire, microscopic silver cell phone nestled in the palm of his hand.

To look at him, you'd never guess he'd rather be somewhere else at that moment. Somewhere far, far away from the world of cappuccino and cell phones — war-torn Iraq.

When he watches CNN, when he listens to NPR, the 20-year-old former senior airman can't help imagining himself there, deployed as a field medic: "When I see our soldiers coming off the plane and going into military hospitals, I can't help thinking, 'I'm supposed to be there.' "

Only a few months ago, Pickart expected to be deployed to Iraq, providing triage to patients at a field hospital.

That was before Thanksgiving, when he made a mistake that cost him his job at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. "I said the right thing to the wrong person," said Pickart, a former medical technician at the base hospital.

When a friend asked what he was doing during Thanksgiving break, Pickart answered, "I'm going home to St. Louis to come out to my father." The friend promptly reported the comment to a superior.

On Feb. 28, just weeks before the United States entered into war with Iraq, the airman received an honorable discharge. The reason cited on his papers: "Homosexual conduct."

"Here we are deploying these hundreds of thousands of soldiers, and the Air Force is discharging an active-duty field medic," he said.

His discharge, chronicled by reporter Amelia Robinson in Tuesday's Dayton Daily News, has left many former co-workers indignant. "We miss having him here as a person, but most of all for the work he did," said Melinda Holder, a fellow medical technician. "He came to work to work, and he did a good job."

Because of "don't ask don't tell," Holder has decided she won't re-enlist: "I could never enforce this policy."

The problem goes far beyond the hundreds of gay military personnel — 906 in 2002 — discharged every year under "don't ask don't tell." How many talented people are discouraged from going into the military? How many servicemen and women live in fear of being found out?

"The policy didn't affect my morale too much, because I was being true to myself and honest with my co-workers," he said.

His father, who is retired military, hasn't spoken to him since his discharge. "He said he was disappointed in me," Pickart said. "That really hurt. But my stepmom is working on him."

Pickart is a pragmatist: "If you look at this from a business standpoint, this is bad business. In the civilian world, if you don't work, you get fired. In the military, you can do virtually no work and not get fired. Or you can work hard, and because of one ridiculous rule, you can get fired."

Another irony goes unspoken: While American soldiers are fighting for the freedom of the Iraqi people, Pickart is being denied the fundamental freedom to be himself.

Contact Mary McCarty at mary_mccarty@coxohio.com or 225-2209.

[From the Dayton Daily News: 04.23.2003]

20 posted on 04/23/2003 12:36:25 AM PDT by Deadeye Division
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