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I'm in the midst of writing a paper on G.A. Cohen and John Rawls and came across this. Amusing to say the least, and poignant as Nozick always was.
1 posted on 04/22/2003 12:04:38 PM PDT by Cosmo
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What sounds sexy in theory is not always what really works on the basis of the reality of human nature. Intellectuals rely on seducing themselves by words and thoughts, not action.
2 posted on 04/22/2003 12:08:36 PM PDT by Liberals are Evil Socialists!
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Didn't read it, but the answer is simple: supply and demand can be understood by uneducated people without any explanation from an "intellectual".
4 posted on 04/22/2003 12:15:45 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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The short answer is they think they're so smart that they know what's better for us than we do.
5 posted on 04/22/2003 12:16:53 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (Quemadmoeum gladis nemeinum occidit, occidentis telum est.)
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I think Nozick missed one key point. It is extremely circular but is valid, just the same. Some stupid, lazy elitist slobs want to be perceived as intellectuals and believe that bad-mouthing capitalism will aid that perception.

Same holds with bad-mouthing Bush, Republicans or business. "I don't understand a thing he says but, since he opposes capitalism/Bush/Kyoto/IMF/Republicans, it must be because he is sooo intellectual!" THat's what they learn at their state university and, the unwashed [but easy] coeds they pick up enforce the perception.

7 posted on 04/22/2003 12:18:20 PM PDT by Tacis
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A high IQ and common sense aren't necessarily found in the same place at the same time.
8 posted on 04/22/2003 12:18:28 PM PDT by grimalkin
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WHY DO INTELLECTUALS OPPOSE CAPITALISM ?

I'll give it a go. It is out of self-preservation. Capitalism rewards those who provide goods and/or services that others value. Intellectuals offer neither.

9 posted on 04/22/2003 12:21:03 PM PDT by Lil'freeper
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It is surprising that intellectuals oppose capitalism so.

Because by its very nature, capitalism is not precisely knowable, and does not lend itself to detailed control.

10 posted on 04/22/2003 12:21:08 PM PDT by lepton
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I think it has more to do with the mindset of a student entering college. Students who choose "employable" majors such as nursing, engineering, etc. are more likely to be conservative by nature.

Students (mostly female) who choose majors because these majors are "interesting" are more likely to be out of touch with reality, and therefore have an anti-capitalism mindset. There is not a whole lot of demand for philosophy, history, journalism, art, et cetera, and it's completely unrealistic to spend $100,000 majoring in such... so these students wind up hating capitalism that denies them a living babbling & writing nonsense.
11 posted on 04/22/2003 12:22:44 PM PDT by Nataku X (Never give Bush any power you wouldn't want to give to Hillary.)
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WHY DO INTELLECTUALS OPPOSE CAPITALISM?

That's an easy one. Intellectuals oppose capitalism because they can't come to grips with the fact that capitallism is often capricious and unpredictable by its very nature. Notice how much effort has been made by "big-government" liberals to make human life more predictable by eliminating risk through regulation, social-insurance schemes that require a single "pool" of participants, etc.

12 posted on 04/22/2003 12:25:21 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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14 posted on 04/22/2003 12:27:16 PM PDT by Cacique
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Because most of them consider themselves elite, smarter than the masses, and the saviors of mankind,
16 posted on 04/22/2003 12:29:59 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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I think a more fundamental question would be "Why are intellectuals so stupid?"
17 posted on 04/22/2003 12:30:31 PM PDT by HenryLeeII
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I think the explanation is simple. People tend to think of their own profession as "normal", then project the conditions, qualities, and virtues of their circumstances on others and other circumstances.

Commerce, academe, the press, the Church, the government all have their own natural internal dyanamic. For commerce, capitalism or more generally some form of free enterprise (syndicalism with worker-ownership of freely trading private enterprises is a competing model of free enterprise, though it has drawbacks in terms of capital formation) is the natural dynamic. In academics, where knowledge and inquiry are the "bottom line," a different dynamic-- peer-review, tenure as a guarantee of free inquiry by those who have made some degree of attainment in their field, fiduciary handling of temporalities--is the norm. The natural dynamic of government seems to be bureacratic (our democratic republic, the Soviet totalitarian state, the Roman Empire, the classical Confucian states in China and Korea, all evolved in this direction). The press seems to have a dynamic dicated by the poles of serving knowledge and operating in the market, though for some reason the writers seem to wish they were in academe. I will not try to explain the internal dynamic of the Church (by which I mean the Orthodox Church), but suffice to say it is different from that governing government, commerce, academe or the press.

No end of mischief is wrought by those who think the natural condition of their own endeavour should be universalized. Whether it is leftist professors who want job-security for all workers, and a benificient state to handle all temporalities as their adminstration handles those of their university, who would thereby destroy commerce and bloat and distort government, or rightist businessmen who think that universities and government agenies should be run like commercial corporations with the balance-sheet as the only data considered, who would thereby destroy the universities and rob government of its purpose of responding to those social needs not readily met by commerce.

I personally want to conserve all the social structures our forefathers have bequethed to us: the commercial corporation, the university, limited goverment, the Church (and the Latins, Copts, Anglican, Lutherans,. . . can have their hierarchies and organizations with their internal dynamics conserved as well), the free press, . . . and regard as a bad conservative anyone who wants to change any one of these into the likeness of another. (Those on the right in America do have a galling tendancy to want to make everything into commerce.)

18 posted on 04/22/2003 12:30:52 PM PDT by The_Reader_David
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The writer asks a valid question but he (no pun) overintellectualizes in his answer. The answer is hinted at all through the article but never hit upon, to wit: Intellectuals are at the center of their universe LITERALLY. They scoff at the idea of a Spritual God who created the universe and stands astride time itself. THEY are the source of all wisdom as far as they are concerned. This is why, no matter how badly their ideas fail, they never have to rethink them because THEY are good and therefore their ideas are correct. (The road to hell is paved with good intentions.) It doesn't matter if the failure even results in the deaths of hundreds, thousands or millions THEY ARE NEVER WRONG THEREFORE THEY ARE NOT CORRECTABLE. Believer, agnostic or athiest, Nature hates a vacuum so you MUST serve SOMEBODY and the "intellectuals" serve THEMSELVES.
19 posted on 04/22/2003 12:34:05 PM PDT by TalBlack
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MY two cents: They hate capitalism like they hate all other forms of the truth. The laws of economics are based in the truth of supply and demand, and the nature of man. They are truth like the laws of gravity- they are the way the world works, they won't be changed just because a bunch of liberals think they should be. Societies that try to have always failed. Liberals and anti-capitalists are those who simply cannot face the world as it IS, not as they wish it were.
21 posted on 04/22/2003 12:50:48 PM PDT by Red Boots
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IMHO - intellectuals feel threatened by capitalism. They deal in ideas - mostly other people's ideas, and they set themselves up as the arbiters of what is a good idea and what is a bad idea. Capitalism takes that position away from them and gives it to the unwashed masses.
22 posted on 04/22/2003 12:51:00 PM PDT by tacticalogic (Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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Let's get this straight, intellectual is the most abused term in english language. While some so called intellectuals are wise the term intellectual and wisdom have nothing in common. I would rather be wise than be an intellectual.
Since liberals are always wrong about about everything they preach and claim to be the intellectual class that is the proof that intellectual and wisdom should not be spoken in the same sentence together.
28 posted on 04/22/2003 1:03:07 PM PDT by John Lenin (Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,)
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This is a very good article, but it has been posted more than once before.

What are you writing about regarding Rawls. I used to do that sort of thing, even published a paper on Nozick's misreading (in Anarchy, State and Utopia) of A.K. Sen's Liberal Paradox (in Collective Choice and Social Welfare). But that was many years and a couple of careers ago.

29 posted on 04/22/2003 1:06:52 PM PDT by CatoRenasci (Mesopotamia Delenda Est)
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wordsmith intellectuals

There are two types of people in the world, 1) word people and 2) number people.........word people run this country..... the lawyers, the politicians, the media, the preachers, ...... verbal giftedness is rewarded with status and power....if you could look at the real SATs of all of our congressmen I am sure you would find most have higher verbal scores that math scores....quite an anomaly among a mostly male group....

Thus my conclusion is strange and bizarre events occur do to the lack of “number people” around to apply some sequential thinking skills

p.s. George Bush is a “number person” …look up his SATs….which is why the “word people” think he is dumb….

30 posted on 04/22/2003 1:09:03 PM PDT by reflecting
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WHY DO INTELLECTUALS OPPOSE CAPITALISM ?

It is quite simple. Intellectuals think that they are the greatest people on Earth. But at the end of the day, the ones who drive the nicest cars home to the nicest houses are capitalists. They feel that it is the ultimate insult that the world doesnt recognize their superiority to all of us and shower them with our hard earned riches...JFK

32 posted on 04/22/2003 1:13:22 PM PDT by BADROTOFINGER (Life sucks. Get a helmet.)
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