Rumfeld's Rejection Of Islamic State Angers Shias

Independent (UK) ^ | 4-26-2003 | Phil Reeves

[fightu4it]

There will truely be some interesting days ahead. It is obvious that the concept of seperation of church and state is not exactly well ingrained in Iraq.

I think we know what would happen if we went around Iraq locking up recalcitrant clerics. Some sort of sanctions must be available to a new government to deal with that problem when it arises. I'm just not smart enough to figure out what form the sanctions would take to be successful.

[El Gato]

they want to inflict their own god-awful lifestyle on other Iraqis now.

Of course the Kurds, much better fighters than any Arab, Shiite or Sunni, will have something to say about that. :)

[El Gato]

It means a Constitution that allows freedom of worship (missing in every Islamic run govt. on the planet!)regular unimpeded elections, and freedom to criticize the govt. without fear of threats or physical harm to yourself or your family.

Sounds more like a Whiggish Republic to me, rather than a Democracy <Spit, ugg, spit again.

[El Gato]

As it stands, I'd wager that a great number (if not most) of the Shias see this as their golden opportunity to nail the Sunnis. I don't think they care whether their government is "Iranian-style" or anything else -- this is payback.

Perhaps the tribunals of the criminals, mostly Sunnies, but some Shiites and even some from the Christian communities, may help change their minds about the virtues of a secular law and satisfy their need for payback. A few ropes will insure that payback is a bitch.

[MEG33]

You don't like the constitution?

[Dec31,1999]

It's time to come clean with the term "democracy", which has been misused to mean "representative republic" for a long time.

Democracy is akin to two wolves and one sheep deciding what's to be had for dinner.

A representative republic, on the other hand, represents the people as a whole, while protecting MINORITY poulations, which is EXACTLY what Iraq, with all its divers populations desperately needs.

[Amerigomag]

Poor little Shi'as. Maybe they should take of arms and attack the 3rd ID.

[Risa]

>>These people aren't even ashamed that THEY didn't have the manhood to fight for their own freedom. <<

Especially those cowardly clerics who waited in exile in Iran and Syria until someone else toppled Saddam. Their audacity is appalling.
risa

[Dec31,1999]

Every group is clamoring for power there. The worst thing to do is to abandon the non-believers, the rational folks, the slaves to Islamofascism, who without the current environment, would certainly throw the swith on their masters given half the chance.

But we don't hear from them. They are too busy trying to git along to get along in the fascistic system of Mosqes, Islam, Radical Imams, what have you.

Our aim is toward the reasonable, rational, non-extremists. Our aim is to promote Freedom in a world of slaves dominated by religious fanatics gone mad.

[Dec31,1999]

You should walk a mile in their shoes.

[Amerigomag]

It is obvious that the concept of seperation of church and state is not exactly well ingrained in Iraq.

Herein lies the rub with Islam. It the only major religion of the world that considers religon and civil control as unity.

This unified concept is at the heart of the threat that Islam presents to secular governance.

[Imagine]

The need a constitution that protects the rights of the minorities -- to practice whatever religion they want or NOT to practice a religion. The only way to do that is keep religion out of government. Regretably, these people will kill you if you don't practice their religion. Either Iraq will become peaceful and free or we'll be back in 10 years with Jeb!

[Dec31,1999]

It's easy to call the shots from the outside, but when fascism really takes root, freedom of speech becomes impossible, unless you feel like dying and having your family executed as well.

Sorry to break into your dream.

[KC_for_Freedom]

Especially those cowardly clerics who waited in exile in Iran and Syria until someone else toppled Saddam. Their audacity is appalling. risa

It is more than appalling, it is seeking to profit by another's efforts. Socialism works like this too. We need to establish that there is no power vaccuum in Iraq, and I suspect this is why Rummy made his remarks.

[Dec31,1999]

The problem with Islam is that it's a religion AND a political philosophy, all wrapped up in one, bent on destroying adherents to other religions, philosophies. So how would you propose we deal with a religion that directs its members to kill all others? Is that fair?

[Centurion2000]

Donald Rumsfeld, the US Secretary of State, will have won plaudits from his zealous friends by declaring that an "Iranian-style" Islamic government "is not going to happen" in Iraq.

Rumsfeld as Secretary of State would be on par with using sledgehammers to kill mosquitoes.

Of course his rejection of the Islamic state out of hand is something I'd have done too.

[Doc On The Bay]

A Nation "Ruled By Islamic Law" is ultimately a Dictatorship--Controlled by Whoever decides what the "Laws of Islam" dictate.

As it was "with the 'Mafia,'" the "Capo-de-Capo"--(The Current 'Mullah,')--is the "Boss" of the Iraqui Population!

The Iraqui's are a talented & educated People; They Deserve Better than a Horrible, Repressive, 'Neo-NAZI' "Theocratic Dictatorship" run by the Ignorant Psychopaths now ruling Iran !!

Doc

[Guillermo]

Quagmire Alert!! Ahhhhh! The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!

[Broward Lion]

Shiia radicals may die of a fatal disease..Bullet in the brain.

[Broward Lion]

Look for Dr al-Khafji to disappear or be found dead. He is dealing with special ops now not Madliene Albrieght.