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All Against All (On the paleo- vs. neo-conservative debate)
The Claremont Institute ^ | April 10, 2003 | Charles R. Kesler

Posted on 04/27/2003 12:31:21 PM PDT by quidnunc

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The second major split within modern conservatism involves the Straussians in a rather different way. For over a decade, the clashes between Harry Jaffa and such partisans of the Confederate cause as Willmoore Kendall and M. E. Bradford have marked the forward lines of the North-South controversy. Jaffa has defended the hallowed ground of reason, equality (of natural rights), Abraham Lincoln, and the Union; Bradford has taken his stand on behalf of tradition, inequality, John C. Calhoun, and states' rights.

Recently, new armies have entered the field. The dispute between "paleo-conservatives" and "neo-conservatives" has generated not only smoke and noise but headlines, on account of Pastor Richard John Neuhaus's expulsion by the "paleo-con" Rockford Institute. Aside from that ungentlemanly action, the debate has centered around "global democracy," "secularism," immigration, and charges of envy and religious bigotry. These bitter disagreements occur in the context of two massive facts. One is that, in abstract terms, the paleo-cons and neo-cons agree on far more than they disagree on. Both sides agree that rationalism in politics leads quickly to Jacobinism; that universal truths of the sort expressed in the Declaration of Independence (or in twentieth-century liberalism: they tend to see the two as continuous) are ultimately destructive of authentic, historically rooted human communities; that history or experience is therefore a better guide than reason in political affairs.

Where paleo-cons and neo-cons disagree is over what is to be done. Strongly influenced by the Eastern Straussians (with whom they overlap), the neo-cons take a more or less Tocquevillian approach, reasoning that modern capitalist democracy is here to stay, that despite its anomie it has brought substantial benefits, that incremental improvement of our condition is possible and desirable. Their politics tends therefore to be utilitarian and meliorist but also strongly anti-utopian.

Both paleo- and neo-conservatives put a great deal of reliance on the idea of history (as their names, borrowed so to speak from the theory of evolution, attest). For the latter, it is liberal democracy's very success — the fact that, however uninspiring it may be, it has outlasted its foes — that proves its superiority; indeed, that makes it worthy and capable of propagation to the rest of the world. For the paleos, democracy's success, no matter how expansive, is hollow precisely because it cannot match the glories of traditional societies, especially that of the Old South. Thus the neo-con's cautious historicism shades over into a calculating utilitarianism, while the paleo-con's historicism rejects calculation in favor of a romantic appreciation of passion, the grandeur of the past, personal and national idiosyncrasy.

It is the peculiar nature of this dispute, the fact that the sides have so many premises in common, that helps to account for its second major characteristic: the allegations of nativism and anti-Semitism that color it. In the absence of a clear philosophical difference between the paleos and neos, the obvious ethnic and religious difference between them comes to the fore. That the neo-cons are mostly Jewish, and the paleo-cons emphatically not, is seized upon by both sides in weak moments as the secret explanation of the controversy. Of course, none of the policy questions that are being controverted here (immigration, "global democracy," etc.) can really be reduced to these terms. But the temptation to reduce them will be there so long as better arguments are not forthcoming.

This is particularly the case with the neo-conservatives, who have not responded as well as they should, I think, to the paleo-cons' criticisms. For the real issue is not whether there is room for Jews in a proper American conservatism, but whether, as the paleo-cons define it, there is room for America in conservatism. According to the traditional American understanding proclaimed in the Declaration, all men are created equal, and equally deserve to have their natural rights secured by a just government instituted and operating with the consent of the governed. The first purpose of conservatism would thus be to keep American government just, to make sure that it secures the common good and preserves the rights of its citizens. These rights, deriving from natural right, are based essentially on the citizens' humanity, and have no proper reference to their race, religion, ethnicity, class, or any other secondary or accidental characteristic.

This is not quite the America celebrated by the paleo-cons, who emphasize the regnant inequalities in American life as it has actually been lived. The older traditionalists like Willmoore Kendall were not at home with this America, either, but some of the new or second-generation traditionalists go even further in their rejection of all natural-right arguments. M. E. Bradford is perhaps the best known of these. Whereas most of the older traditionalists (e.g., Kendall, Russell Kirk) saw some harmony — however tenuous — between natural law and tradition or history, Bradford and his followers denounce any appeal to rational, transhistorical principles. To put the difference plainly: whereas Richard M. Weaver traced the decline of the West to William of Occam's attack on universals, Bradford blames our current degeneration on the prevalence of universals in politics and morals.

Other second-generation traditionalists take a different tack. Thomas Fleming, the editor of the Rockford Institute's Chronicles: A Magazine of American Culture, understands the natural law not as a law of right reason (as Aquinas did), but as a "law of nature" in the modern scientific nor deterministic sense: he uses sociobiology and anthropology to prove that gender and class differences are natural. Attempting to combine traditional natural law with some version of the philosophy of history, Claes Ryn and Paul Gottfried try in different ways to find a philosophical basis for the role of reason within the historical process.

The real issue here is not whether particular paleo-cons are nativist or anti-Semitic, much less whether particular neo-cons are hypersensitive. Everyone involved in this debate agrees that anti-Semitism is wrong. It is a doctrine without defenders. But this consensus cannot endure if its grounds are allowed to be undermined. Paleo-cons as well as neo-cons have an interest in keeping this consensus and the conservative movement itself intact. The problem is that such vices as anti-Semitism and nativism are a constant temptation whenever virtue goes unexplained and unchampioned. When reason, equality, and natural rights (including the right of religious freedom) are contemned in the name of a monolithic and unrestrained "tradition," the ground for evil has been prepared.

As I say, the neo-conservatives in particular have not been very successful at articulating the larger questions at stake, partly because they have been unwilling to undertake the positive defense of American principles that is required. They need to say in broad daylight why nativism and anti-Semitism — errors with which they charge the paleo-conservative movement — are un-American, hence also unconservative. Such a declaration would invite a reconsideration of some of the principles they have shared half-heartedly with the paleo-cons. After all, the neo-cons have always stopped short of the paleo-cons' and the Old Right's open break with Lincoln and his interpretation of the Declaration of Independence. Yet only Jaffa and the Western Straussians have vigorously contested this attack on Lincoln and the role of equality in the American political tradition. The neo-cons, like the Eastern Straussians with whom they have so much in common, have been content to keep their discontents private, and to hope for the best. But the logic of the debate carries it more and more clearly in the direction of the classic North-South struggle within conservatism. And the border states must eventually choose sides.

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To: quidnunc
"Bradford blames our current degeneration on the prevalence of universals in politics and morals."

Of course Bradford is dead wrong. It is in fact the prevalence of anti-universals that has caused degeneration. This the substance of the political fugue, flaw in the application. It's so simple. Why not just shout "Republic!" a few times and go home?

ArchConservative btt

21 posted on 04/27/2003 3:23:49 PM PDT by Darheel (Visit the strange and wonderful.)
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To: Iris7
Of course there is hope. There is this old story:

If I'm going to have hope I figure it might as well not be a cheerless hope. :-)
22 posted on 04/27/2003 3:27:10 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: quidnunc
For the paleos, democracy's success, no matter how expansive, is hollow precisely because it cannot match the glories of traditional societies, especially that of the Old South.

I don't know what this guy's idea of a paleoconservative is, but no one I've come across who identifies himself as such, comes even close to the description above.

For paleocons, the success of republican government is so resounding that it can spread purely by example. It's the neocons that seem to have such little faith in it that they need to militarily impose it everywhere they can.

23 posted on 04/27/2003 3:29:19 PM PDT by inquest
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To: quidnunc
"This is a specious argument and you know it.

Allow me to bring it down to an even more basic level.

Which ancient philosophers do you take into account before you decide which car to buy or how to present a proposal to your boss?"

Allow me to bring it down to an even more basic level.

Who's work are you using and building upon when you demand non-specious arguments, and use them to prove your points?
24 posted on 04/27/2003 3:29:57 PM PDT by Jason Kauppinen
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To: Iris7
Iris7 wrote: And you use amazingly sweeping generalities. Do not confuse your own opinions with the truth. In fact, your prejudices appear unexamined.

Hogwash!

You're the one who dotes on philosophers and what do they do if not make sweeping generalities.

Iris7 wrote: With enormous risk of being uncharitable, your point of view reminds me of Henry Ford's "History is bunk." That reminds me of "Ignorance is bliss." If I were mean spirited it would remind me of "Freedom is Slavery."

Now you're being — and I'll be charitable here — silly.

History is a window to the past, not a blueprint for the future.

You can put as much lipstick on the paleo-con pig as you wish, but the past that they so greatly admire was — for all it's gentility and romantization — deeply bigoted and cruel.

It gave us, for instance, slavery, Bleeding Kansas and lynch law.

25 posted on 04/27/2003 3:33:14 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc
"Look at Old Europe, the countries of which are prone to ordering their societies acording to the dictates of philosophers."

Look at America. Our philosophers were Locke, Hobbes, the rest of the Enlightenment philosophes. Just like "Old Europe." "This tendency gave us just in the last 100 years fascism, Marxism/communism and most lately postmodernism which — along with its handmaiden, multiculturalism — insists there is no such thing as objective truth."

The "tendency" of societies to base themselves on Western philosophy is the rule, not the exception. As a matter of fact, the only countries currently free of Western philosophy are theocratic dictatorships in the Middle East.

26 posted on 04/27/2003 3:35:30 PM PDT by Reactionary
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To: quidnunc
Which ancient philosophers do you take into account before you decide which car to buy or how to present a proposal to your boss?

Those are concerns of a far more specific and secondary nature; as such it's entirely proper to consult experience local to both time and place. Learning about the basic foundations of human nature, and about how to apply them, is an inquiry of a primary and general nature; as such one should look over a somewhat wider compass in order to pursue it.

27 posted on 04/27/2003 3:36:25 PM PDT by inquest
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To: Reactionary
Reactionary wrote: Look at America. Our philosophers were Locke, Hobbes, the rest of the Enlightenment philosophes. The "tendency" of societies to base themselves on Western philosophy is the rule, not the exception. As a matter of fact, the only countries currently free of Western philosophy are theocratic dictatorships in the Middle East.

The Founding Fathers established the U.S. upon a set of principles from a number of sources, not upon the work of one particular person.

They borrowed freely from the enlightment but were not slaves to it.

They were practical men who started with one simple precept, that all men are created equal, and built uopn it.

28 posted on 04/27/2003 3:49:12 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc

"Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican"
--Reagans Law

29 posted on 04/27/2003 3:54:12 PM PDT by ChadGore (Freedom is as natural as a drawn breath.)
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To: quidnunc; Chancellor Palpatine; Poohbah; dighton; wimpycat
I agree. The paleos are in favor of big government in certain areas. They are also very negative.
30 posted on 04/27/2003 4:15:29 PM PDT by hchutch (America came, America saw, America liberated; as for those who hate us, Oderint dum Metuant)
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To: ChadGore
Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican"

In between the primary and the general...is how Reagan put it.

Otherwise honest debate is needed.

31 posted on 04/27/2003 4:19:48 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan
That's where trhe likes of Buchanan and Smith have exposed themselves to be contrary to the conservative cause. They attack their fellow conservatives between the primary and the general. They can't take a couple months off?
32 posted on 04/27/2003 4:21:57 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: quidnunc
"They were practical men who started with one simple precept, that all men are created equal, and built uopn it."

So did the Bolsheviks.
33 posted on 04/27/2003 4:50:43 PM PDT by Jason Kauppinen
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To: hchutch; quidnunc; general_re; Chancellor Palpatine; Poohbah

... two camps of Straussians ...

If I'm not mistaken, that was an endless back-and-forth in National Review.

34 posted on 04/27/2003 4:50:55 PM PDT by dighton (Amen-Corner Hatchet Team, Nasty Little Clique, Vulgar Horde)
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To: quidnunc
I can certainly see you are resistant to my best efforts. Reminds me of liberals I have known. If you refuse to see the absurdity of your position certainly there is nothing I can do for you. I wash my hands.
35 posted on 04/27/2003 5:04:02 PM PDT by Iris7 (Sufficient for evil to triumph is for good people to be imprudent.)
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To: Jason Kauppinen
Jason Kauppinen wrote: ("They were practical men who started with one simple precept, that all men are created equal, and built uopn it.") So did the Bolsheviks.

The Bolsheviks built their society and economy according to the dictates of Marx, Engels and Lenin, and by and large they adhered to those dictates regardless of their workability.

36 posted on 04/27/2003 5:05:08 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: Iris7
Iris7 wrote: I can certainly see you are resistant to my best efforts.

Those were your BEST efforts!?

37 posted on 04/27/2003 5:09:10 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: hchutch
Depends on the paleo. In my case, about the only federal agencies I'd like to see enlarged are the Navy, Air Force, Civilian Marksmanship, Border Patrol and Customs. If wanting to see an end to unfunded mandates, the Department of Education, etc., make me, in your view, very negative then so be it.
38 posted on 04/27/2003 5:10:53 PM PDT by caltrop
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To: quidnunc
Do you wish be to be insulting to your wisdom and intelligence? I see no evidence that you have had any idea about what I have been saying. If you are not interested in something that does not fit in with your preconceptions after being reasoned with so sweetly by so many on this thread, then who am I to think I can get though to you?
39 posted on 04/27/2003 5:13:09 PM PDT by Iris7 (Sufficient for evil to triumph is for good people to be imprudent.)
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To: quidnunc
"the paleo-cons and neo-cons agree on far more than they disagree on"

And what little they do disagree on is made up.

40 posted on 04/27/2003 5:23:30 PM PDT by mrsmith
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