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Iraqis Linked to Oklahoma Atrocity
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/1678779 ^

Posted on 04/27/2003 4:59:08 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

Iraqis Linked to Oklahoma Atrocity

This is London

10/21/02

By James Langton in New York, for the Evening Standard

The FBI is under pressure from the highest political levels in Washington to investigate suspected links between Iraq and the Oklahoma bombing.

Senior aides to US Attorney-General John Ashcroft have been given compelling evidence that former Iraqi soldiers were directly involved in the 1995 bombing that killed 185 people.

The methodically assembled dossier from Jayna Davis, a former investigative TV reporter, could destroy the official version that white supremacists Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were solely responsible for what, at the time, was the worst act of terrorism on American soil.

Instead, there are serious concerns that a group of Arab men with links to Iraqi intelligence, Palestinian extremists and possibly al Qaeda, used McVeigh and Nichols as front men to blow up the Alfred P Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.

Davis, who was one of the first reporters on the scene after the blast, has spent seven years gathering evidence of a wider conspiracy. But it is only as America prepares to wage war on Iraq and Saddam Hussein that her conclusions are being taken seriously at the highest level. Finally, she says, the authorities are examining the idea "that the Oklahoma bombing might not simply be the work of two angry white men".

After hearing her evidence, several senior members of Congress have called for a new probe.

What triggered Davis's investigation was a report immediately after the Oklahoma explosion of Middle-Eastern looking men fleeing in a brown Chevrolet truck only minutes earlier. The FBI launched an international hunt for the men but later cancelled the search.

Within days McVeigh and Nichols were arrested, and the case seemed to be one of home-grown terrorists, motivated by a hatred for authority. But the case has always had loose ends. In particular, several witnesses in Oklahoma City that April morning saw a third conspirator with McVeigh. The elusive dark-haired suspect became known as "John Doe 2".

Terry Nichols, now serving life for conspiracy in the bombing and involuntary manslaughter, was the original "John Doe 1" but, with his arrest, the FBI claimed that the case had been wrapped up. They eventually concluded that "John Doe 2" was Nichols all along.

Davis thought otherwise. Early on, she found that a brown Chevrolet truck almost identical to that once hunted by the FBI had been seen parked outside the offices of a local property management company several days before the bombing.

The owner was a Palestinian with a criminal record and suspected ties to the Palestine Liberation Organisation. Later she found that the man had hired a number of former Iraqi soldiers.

He had recruited them to carry out maintenance on his rental properties, but several were later discovered to be missing from work on the day of the bombing. Eyewitnesses have told Davis that they saw several of them celebrating later that day.

But what increasingly drew her attention was another Iraqi living in Oklahoma City, a restaurant worker called Hussain Hashem Al Hussaini, whose photograph was almost a perfect match to the official sketch of "John Doe 2".

Al Hussaini has a tattoo on his upper left arm, indicating he was once a member of Saddam's elite Republican Guard.

Since then, Davis has gathered hundreds of court records and the sworn testimony of two dozen witnesses. Several claimed to have seen a man fitting Al Hussaini's description drinking with McVeigh in a motel bar four days before the bombing.

Others positively identified former Iraqi soldiers in the company of McVeigh and Nichols. Two swore that they had seen Al Hussaini only a block from the Murrah building in the hours before the bombing. With the case against McVeigh and Nichols seemingly watertight, the FBI has until now consistently refused to reopen it. McVeigh went to his death in the execution chamber two years ago, insisting he alone was responsible.

Davis thinks he may have done so out of loyalty to his family, not wishing to go down in history as a traitor to his country.

But she has evidence that up to 12,000 Iraqis were allowed into America after the Gulf war. Some of these, she suspects, are using their status as refugees for cover. "They are here," she said. "And they are highly trained and motivated."

The renewed interest in Washington is clearly linked to America's case against Saddam as broker of world terror.

And there is more. Al Hussaini, who entered the US from a Saudi refugee camp, worked after the Oklahoma bomb as a cook at Boston's Logan Airport - from where the two hijacked aircraft that hit the World Trade Center took off.

There is another confirmed incident that suggests something more sinister. Two of the 11 September conspirators held a crucial meeting at a motel in Oklahoma City in August 2001. The motel's owner has since identified them as ringleader Mohammed Atta and Zacarias Moussaoui, the so-called 20th hijacker, who has known links with shoebomber Richard Reid.

The motel is unremarkable - except for one thing. It is where a number of Davis's witnesses are sure they saw McVeigh drinking and perhaps plotting with his Iraqi friends.


TOPICS: Free Republic
KEYWORDS: jaynadavis; okcbombing
Old article, but interesting.
1 posted on 04/27/2003 4:59:09 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY
The info coming out of Iraq lately should get everyone looking at OK City. Jeez...how obvious is it?

...another Clinton failure, btw.

2 posted on 04/27/2003 5:08:55 PM PDT by chiller (could be wrong, but doubt it)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
"Davis thinks he may have done so out of loyalty to his family, not wishing to go down in history as a traitor to his country."

I have been told that McVeigh never said otherwise in order to protect his sister who was threatened as an accomplice.
3 posted on 04/27/2003 5:13:50 PM PDT by OldEagle (Haven't been wrong since 1947.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Some day this story may finally get legs.
4 posted on 04/27/2003 5:14:16 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: chiller
At the OKC Memorial Service, Clinton made headlines by asserting that he would never again denigrate bureaucrats. Not long after that, he was blaming the FBI files fiasco on "a bureaucratic snafu."
5 posted on 04/27/2003 5:14:21 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: chiller
another Clinton failure, btw.

Not a failure, as far as Clinton was concerned, it allowed him blame the Right and Right wing radio...

6 posted on 04/27/2003 5:17:57 PM PDT by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Iraq is not in the FBI playbook.
7 posted on 04/27/2003 5:20:23 PM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Clinton, aiming for a Nobel Prize for "peace" - making in the Middle East, didn't want anything to disturb the waters. Once some US participants were found, the investigation was dropped. Clinton also used OKC to beat up on Rush Limbaugh and other talk radio hosts who opposed his administration, insinuating that they were spreading hate that led to such acts. Revelation of a Middle East provenance for the event would have vitiated this approach. Once again, Clinton stands revealed.
8 posted on 04/27/2003 5:22:14 PM PDT by thucydides
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To: Free ThinkerNY
But she has evidence that up to 12,000 Iraqis were allowed into America after the Gulf war. Some of these, she suspects, are using their status as refugees for cover. "They are here," she said. "And they are highly trained and motivated."




Who was responsible for this?
9 posted on 04/27/2003 5:23:03 PM PDT by WhiteGuy (MY VOTE IS FOR SALE)
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To: chiller
"...another Clinton failure, btw."

Yes, but "failure" is a relative term. And, to the Clintons, the Murrah bombing was a tremendous political windfall. The weak President, made "irrelevant" by the GOP's Congressional sweep in 1994, was suddenly made "relevant" again.

And, at the same time, Clinton was able to ascribe the blame for the bombing to "right-wing extremists". If there was, indeed, an Iraq connection, he had zero interest in finding it...

10 posted on 04/27/2003 5:23:15 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Wonder why the Bush administration wants to keep the 'Mcveigh and Nichols did it by themselves' explanation as being the truth? there were an awful lot fo suspicious things surrounding this event, IMO, including that Soldier of Fortune picture.
11 posted on 04/27/2003 5:23:26 PM PDT by templar
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To: Free ThinkerNY
So many what-ifs...

What if McVeigh's lawyer had found a way to convince the courts to spin out that 30-day delay in his execution for a few months longer, past September 11?

If something had turned up in those FBI documents to indicate Iraqi involvement in the Oklahoma City bombing, once that information become public knowledge, what affect might it have had on current events?

What if McVeigh had lived past September 11 and had decided to tell his story about Iraqi involvement in the bombing?
12 posted on 04/27/2003 5:27:07 PM PDT by Loyalist
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To: templar
"Wonder why the Bush administration wants to keep the 'Mcveigh and Nichols did it by themselves' explanation as being the truth? "

If Bush finds a smoking gun in Iraq, it will probably come out. But otherwise, you have to have a really strong case to go back and accuse the former president of covering the stuff up. Othewise, it will be seen as partisan politics and will serve to limit the effectiveness of the Bush Administration. Even if you can make the case that Clinton was a traitor, it's not going to stick on the whole Democratic party. Clinton's a has been. There are more important fish to fry.

13 posted on 04/27/2003 5:32:19 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Klintler would not have won a 2nd term if it wasn't for OKC.
14 posted on 04/27/2003 5:37:37 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("I have two guns. One for each of ya." - Doc Holliday)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Some older links:

OKC Bombing Links

15 posted on 04/27/2003 5:41:41 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: Dan from Michigan
Yes, I think it was Carville who, upon hearing of the bombing, said another four years were guaranteed. I'll never forget Boner Bill's teary-eyed, lip-biting, head shaking performance at the memorial ceremony. I wanted to vomit. I hate that bastard.
16 posted on 04/27/2003 5:42:05 PM PDT by clintonh8r (You can have no better friend and no worse enemy than a U.S. Marine.)
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To: Dan from Michigan
Klintler would not have won a 2nd term if it wasn't for OKC.

I must agree. FWIW on the day of OKC, Klinton was in the middle of a nationwide political crisis. Donna Shalala had said that we didn't send our best and brightest to Viet Nam. The radio waves were in an uproar over it. Then OKC happened, and it was never mentioned again. Klinton blamed the right, especially talk radio and the militias. We were treated to round the clock coverage of the evil militias for several weeks. Klinton's presidency was an abysmal failure up until that point. OKC turned everything around for him He used it like a pro. What a scumbag, but a very lucky and talented scumbag.

17 posted on 04/27/2003 5:49:52 PM PDT by bankwalker (Those who know don't talk. Those who talk don't know)
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To: okie01
The weak President, made "irrelevant" by the GOP's Congressional sweep in 1994, was suddenly made "relevant" again.

I distinctly recall Sam Donaldson on his Sunday morning show speculating about whether or not Newt Gingrich's rhetoric about cutting down and eliminating the size of government could have influenced McVeigh's hatred of government. This bombing gave liberals a nice big stick to beat conservatives with: "the angry white male who hates government." The stick would not have been quite so big if it suddenly turned out that Iraqis had been involved.

18 posted on 04/27/2003 5:55:01 PM PDT by Rainbow Rising (Kegger at Saddam's place!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
This news has been out there for a very long time. The mainstream media has refused to report it however. I do hope all of this is uncovered now, it will be yet another slap in the face to the so called Peaceniks who saw no reason to attack Iraq. I am sure our government knows all of this.
19 posted on 04/27/2003 5:58:46 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Iraqis Linked to Oklahoma Atrocity

This is London
By James Langton in New York, for the Evening Standard

The FBI is under pressure from the highest political levels in Washington to investigate suspected links between Iraq and the Oklahoma bombing.


I oughta tan your hide for getting me all excited needlessly like that. I thought a UK reporter had unearthed some OKC documents over in Baghdad.

That'll teach me to look at dates before reading. :-)

20 posted on 04/27/2003 6:05:00 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Rainbow Rising
"The stick would not have been quite so big if it suddenly turned out that Iraqis had been involved."

Moreover, if the Iraqis were involved, the President would've been obliged to do something about it -- no matter how much he "loathed the military".

So, why use the stick to beat Saddam Hussein when you can use it defeat your real enemy -- Republicans?

21 posted on 04/27/2003 6:10:13 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE.)
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To: templar
"Wonder why the Bush administration wants to keep the 'Mcveigh and Nichols did it by themselves' explanation as being the truth?

The article indicates that the Bush administration is interested in the Iraqi connection. Thus the article.

22 posted on 04/27/2003 6:11:10 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: cake_crumb
The article is six months old.

23 posted on 04/27/2003 6:28:39 PM PDT by nvcdl
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To: ladyinred
Peaceniks deserve more than just a slap in the face. The truth about a great many things is unfolding before their unseeing eyes. They are enablers of evil.
24 posted on 04/27/2003 6:28:53 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY ((((Pacifists are the leeches of liberty))))
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To: okie01
Don't forget that Carol Howe was an FBI informant. She knew what McVeigh, Nichols and Straussmeier were up to. One suspects that since the leader of Elohim City was also an FBI informant, the FBI knew all about the operation.

It may be true that the agents thought the bomb was disarmed before it went off, but there's little question that the whole story has never been told.

Clinton certainly didn't mind cashing in on Oklahoma City, however. That singular act ensured another four years for him.

25 posted on 04/27/2003 6:59:54 PM PDT by Reactionary
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Remember these threads? OKCsubmariner posted these some time back.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/745306/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/744920/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/742323/posts
26 posted on 04/27/2003 7:18:18 PM PDT by Madcelt
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To: Free ThinkerNY
http://www.jaynadavis.com
27 posted on 04/27/2003 7:25:53 PM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: spodefly
Some day this story may finally get legs.

Sooner than some may want. This story seemed to be "hushed up" for a while. Nichols wife is from the "southern Philipines". Just coincidence that abu sayeff is there also. Coincidence that they are linked to Al-Queda? Too many coincidences conveging at the same point to simply say it's not a coordinated effort. I really do want to see all the files from Iraqi intelligence to see if these really are just "coincidences".

28 posted on 04/27/2003 7:30:04 PM PDT by Madcelt
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To: Free ThinkerNY
The most intriguing part of the story, not mentioned above, is phone calls, and I believe a visit by Nichols to the Phillipines boarding house known as a center for Iraqi / Al-Quaida operatives.

I may have the details a little hazy, but the phone and visitation connection to a known hot-spot would be worth a little look, doncha think?
29 posted on 04/27/2003 7:35:06 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Wheat is Murder! (Tilling slaughters worms.....))
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To: okie01
>>"Another Clinton Failure?"

Another example of his success at politics and a utter failure to protect Liberty and the American people.

Another abandonment of his responsibilities as President to protect and obey the constitution.

30 posted on 04/27/2003 9:32:43 PM PDT by Only1choice____Freedom (Unlike some naked chix, I am extremely proud of our President from Texas.)
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To: RaceBannon
bttt
31 posted on 04/27/2003 10:12:26 PM PDT by cgk (Op. Iraqi Freedom Hero Tribute: http://home.earthlink.net/~mrskoz/index.html)
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To: JMack
Sure, I thought everyone had heard about that one. It was in the June 1995 issue of SF in an article titled WACOGATE. The Photo is of three men, aparently taken at the Davidian trial. the caption reads
"Robert Rodriguez, undercover ATF agent who tried to get bosses to call off the ill-conceived raid, was made scapegoat. He's now the first agent ever to sue the BATF. In photo he is escorted to Davidians trial in San Antonio by case agent Davy Agulera, left, and an unidentified agent, right, who sat in press section of court with burp gun under his trench coat."
The "unidentified agent" looks so much like McVeigh that he could be him or his twin. All the way down to his haircut and age. The other agent could have been mistaken for John Doe two in the composite picture released after the bombing.

Some things make this photo interesting: the article wasn't about McVeigh at all and the photo was probably just coincidentally included as a part of a story about the Waco incident as a photo of Rodriguez (not the other two men in the photo, they are coincidental to the story), The June issue of SF came out in May and was probably sent to press much earlier so that the timing of the photo was out of sync and unconnected to anything about the OKC bombing, The issue was never brought up in court as a pretext for reasonable doubt that McVeigh was the one who bombed OKC, the ATF didn't respond to inquiries about the photo but Bo Gritz finally did get them to admit the man in question was an ATF agent stationed on the west coast (according to Gritz). This isn't one of those pick someone out of the crowd photos that require using your immagination to see someone, it is very clear. Almost everyone I showed the photo to immediately identified him as McVeigh before reading the caption.

I don't know if it actually was McVeigh or not. I do find it interesting that the ATF had an agent who was a McVeigh look alike working for them at the time the events took place. One that could have been doing things that would later have witnesses identify McVeigh as doing.

33 posted on 04/28/2003 6:41:44 AM PDT by templar
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To: Free ThinkerNY
bump
34 posted on 04/28/2003 7:54:26 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Madcelt
OKCsubmariner posted these some time back.

And he got the boot, like those whose who maintained flight TWA 800 wasn't an accident...

35 posted on 04/28/2003 9:51:04 AM PDT by Ff--150 (100-Fold Return)
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To: The Great Satan
Ping!
36 posted on 04/28/2003 10:12:25 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (Boycott Smuckers Jelly ! ! ! ! !)
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To: Ff--150
"And he got the boot..."

What do you mean?
37 posted on 04/28/2003 10:16:02 AM PDT by freedombrigade (Cry Havoc, Let slip the dogs of war!)
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To: chiller
......another Clinton failure, btw.

No, a major Clinton success. Until the OKC bombing he was on the road to electoral defeat in 1996. OKC saved his presidency. If it had turned out the the bombers were foreign terrorists and not "angry White males" (i.e., Republicans) he would likely have been a one-term president. Reno was ever ready to oblige.

38 posted on 04/28/2003 1:16:45 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets
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To: All
Although I do believe Iraq was involved, this story loses credibility real quickly by stating 185 people were killed. It was 168 (169 including the unborn baby).
39 posted on 04/28/2003 1:22:01 PM PDT by okkev68
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To: Free ThinkerNY
i knew it,they should have kept Timothy McVeigh alive,so the govmn. could interrogate the fool.
40 posted on 04/28/2003 1:24:49 PM PDT by green team 1999
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To: freedombrigade
kicked off FR
41 posted on 04/28/2003 2:01:05 PM PDT by Ff--150 (100-Fold Return)
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To: Ff--150
I know. I remember the thread. TWA 800 .... Well I will still hold to my position. Accident........yeah right. You remember the "warning" terrorist may have smuggled sams into the US? HMMM? Curious ain't it. Years apart I know,but if they could do it now they could do it then.
42 posted on 04/28/2003 5:15:58 PM PDT by Madcelt (AOL disk make dang good coasters!!)
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To: Madcelt
OKC is personal for me as one of the victims sat one aisle over and six seats back of me in school a few years back. I was sweet on his sister, and it hurt watching their other sister wailing on TV.

They knew it was Middle Easterns minutes after it happened, as the radio and tv first stated that, then suddenly changed to right-wing kooks...

43 posted on 04/28/2003 5:46:30 PM PDT by Ff--150 (100-Fold Return)
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To: Ff--150
They knew it was Middle Easterns minutes after it happened

I agree. Just like the FBI warnings about the millineum celebration. Remember, It was going to be fanatical "christians" that were going to cause the mayhem. What was that gentleman arrestted in Washington,coming from CANADA? Oh yeah thats it Middle eastern and muslim. (Oh sorry bout that wrong guy,he was an angry,White and Christian man./sarcasm) The one they caught with the bomb making materials headed for the space needle. If these "coincidences" keep happening like this, one can only draw the conclusion that Eason Jordan,CNN, and ALL the other news outlets are "selectively" reporting the real story. Like "America under siege, How long have we been under attack?"

45 posted on 04/29/2003 8:02:05 AM PDT by Madcelt (Are they really reporting the news? CNN got caught,wonder what they have hidden before?)
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To: Semper Paratus
"Iraq is not in the FBI playbook."

And that's one of the reasons that the connection was not made until after the fact. Remember all the commotion about legislation during 2002 that brought down the "firewall" between domestic intelligence and the CIA, NSA, and DIA? Had the information been shared the FBI might have made the connection in advance. But because of the firewall the Iraq connection was never made.

46 posted on 04/29/2003 12:18:31 PM PDT by tom h
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To: tom h; All
Had the information been shared the FBI might have made the connection in advance. But because of the firewall the Iraq connection was never made.

Bravo Sierra!!

The first 'intelligence' failure was the NYPD's refusal to translate the documents siezed from "Right Wing Extremist Rabbi" Meir Kahane's murder's apartment. They were translated AFTER WTC #1, and directly linked Nosair to the entire al Quaida setup.

But, why look further...Right Wing Setteler Rabbi..."he had it coming", etc., etc., etc.

Nosair was ACQUITTED of the assassination, committed in BROAD DAYLIGHT in front of DOZENS of witnesses!

The documents revealed that the 'hit' was ordered from the Middle East.

And don't tell me that Nichols's trips, WITHOUT his Fillipina wife, to the Phillipines on or near the Muslim Fundamentalist stronghold of Mindinao, was a secret from the joint ATF-FBI effort in OKC.

The FBI, we now know, had informants in WTC #1, and the BATF AND FBI had 'informants' in OKC.

I'm sorry, but NONE of it passes the SMELL test!

47 posted on 04/29/2003 12:47:01 PM PDT by Lael (Well, I Guess he DIDN'T go wobbly in the legs!! Now, "W", lets do the REST of the AXIS of EVIL!!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
...Early on, she found that a brown Chevrolet truck almost identical to that once hunted by the FBI had been seen parked outside the offices of a local property management company several days before the bombing.

The owner was a Palestinian with a criminal record and suspected ties to the Palestine Liberation Organization. Later she found that the man had hired a number of former Iraqi soldiers.

He had recruited them to carry out maintenance on his rental properties, but several were later discovered to be missing from work on the day of the bombing. Eyewitnesses have told Davis that they saw several of them celebrating later that day.

But what increasingly drew her attention was another Iraqi living in Oklahoma City, a restaurant worker called Hussain Hashem Al Hussaini, whose photograph was almost a perfect match to the official sketch of "John Doe 2".

Al Hussaini has a tattoo on his upper left arm, indicating he was once a member of Saddam's elite Republican Guard.

No, it can't be that angry white men did not do this!!! It is just a co-inky-dinky that a whole pile of Islamic terrorists happen to live in Oklahoma City right then. They all flock there because of the Mediterranean Climate and great Humus and Pita bread Oklahoma City is famous for...

We should just arrest them all and clear them with questioning. That was done right? No? Must be because illegal immigrants with criminal records or ties to hostile military forces can't get visas and work permits. That made them so hard to find that the entire FBI failed to do so with millions of dollars of funding spent in years of investigation. Smart girl that reporter, perhaps we should fire the FBI and hire her instead.

But wait, they did have work permits, and were all working. How strange, the very government that gave them the right to all work in Oki City is the one that is covering up their involvement with this, and the same government that saw no problem with importing a half a dozen known hostile foreign nationals into the heartland of America.

Ah well, at least we got our Constitution trimmed and great new police state powers put in place because of this bombing. The very government that is most complacent in this mass murder is the one given more power over the people they killed.

Alls well that ends well, or the ends justify the means they all say..

48 posted on 03/20/2004 10:57:22 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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