Free Stater allegedly arrested for passing out FSP literature at NRA convention

Free State Project ^ | 4/27/03 | DadaOrwell

[dighton]

So I can see why you're so keen to smear him now he's dead.

He was a murderer, which I hope no one considers libellous.

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[Solitar]

Thank you for the compliment where you wrote:
Thank you....very well said. Most of the FSP folks I've communicated with are very pragmatic. The FreeRepublic criticism of LIbertarians hinges solely on the drug issue. Never mind that the Libertarians are a leading pro second amendment force. For many libertarians, like myself....the drug issue is one of wasted dollars. Drugs weren't always illegal in this country, and when they were available at the local pharmacist you certainly didn't see an addicted population, and you certainly didn't see the violence and money spent policing a no-win position.

So to all you paranoid Freepers, go ahead and keep harping on Libertarian idealism, obviously it's just your pessimistic left leaning authoritarian streak poking through.

Dead Corpse wrote:
States Rights? What about our basic Human Rights? Some of which are enumerated in the BOR...

One of the things we are seeing today is States misusing power they have GIVEN themselves, or tried to hold over from pre-Federal Constitution days.

The Free State Project's intent is, through a voting majority of tens of thousands of Jeffersonian Classical Liberals, traditional Ike or Goldwater Republicans, and Blue Dog Democrats and their native and local friends, neighbors and allies to STOP THE STATE FROM INFRINGING ON OUR B.O.R.!!!

How else can it be done?
We need practical, doable solutions and not pie in the sky idealistic dreams.

[Cultural Jihad]

"Free Stater allegedly arrested for passing out FSP literature at NRA convention trespassing"

There; the title has been de-ideologized. Obviously the fellow is free to do whatsoever he wants to, but he is not free to commit civil disobedience with impunity or be free of the consequences of his actions.

[AppyPappy]

. Matsuidon was one of the calmest and most gentlemanly posters on FR

Didn't he kill a cop?

[Cultural Jihad]

Actually, I wasn't writing about anyone in particular, but was using general terms to describe dishonest reporting of facts. The sad case of that particular individual seems to fit the pattern of responsibility-shirking we see occasionally.

A purse-snatcher steals an elderly woman's purse and runs away. He is chased by the cops and in the pursuit gets hit by a car. Someone later reports that he was killed because he was impoverished, or because he was out jogging, or because drug laws somehow forced him to steal. That's the type of dishonest reporting we can expect from the ideologues with an agenda.

[Poohbah]

Matsuidon was one of the calmest and most gentlemanly posters on FR

Didn't he kill a cop?

Yes, but he did so in the calmest and most gentlemanly way.

[nanny]

Libertarians probably can not muster the discipline necessary to bring it off, and if they can it's like the dog who catches the fire truck... what does it do now, whiz on it?

Kinda like the Republicans in WAshington?

[headsonpikes]

RE: John Hospers

Go for it, Bruce! ;^)

[headsonpikes]

I see the thread sort of went down hill in later hours. :^(

Maybe you should save your Hosper efforts for a more productive thread.

[L.N. Smithee]

Regarding the drug problem, I think libertarians are really killing themselves by taking such an extremist position. Saying that drugs should be legalized is fine, if you can explain how drug abuse would be kept under control. The reason people are not receptive, IMO, is because they don't want their children to be exposed to dealers and addicts at every turn. How would an idealized libertarian society avoid this?

Back in 2001, I authored a thread called ''Do You Ever Wonder About How a Society With Legalized Drugs Would Look?'', which was a verbatim paste of a USENET post in 1993. The post was written by a LP member, Paul R. Conte, and was a plea to fellow Libertarians to outline the implications of drug legalization beyond the sound bite stage.

Very few folks who self-identified as libertarians took the challenge seriously, a few of which mocked Conte for postulating that the answers weren't simple.

[Dada Orwell]

Some of you have requested more details on the unfolding arrest situation. To learn these details, go to the link I sent in my original message above (info is being added there as it comes in).

I have to say I'm a little saddened by the zeal with which some folks here go after the FSP, which is a natural ally of FR. It's almost as strange as, say, one of us getting arrested for passing out gun-friendly literature at an NRA convention.

Many of us over here at the FSP are right-wingers, most are more right wing than you on economic and Second Amendment issues (we think it should be the First! :)

If we want to crush the Socialist Menace that is eating through American society, we'd do well to work more against the common enemy than each other.

In any case, I much appreciate the many FReepers who have taken a good look at us and recognized our high degree of shared purpose. Hopefully the NRA will someday do the same.

[takenoprisoner]

Bunch a freakin' cowards is what you are.

Indeed. Lacking self discipline to control themselves, they have a fear of freedom which results in a reliability upon an external force (such as our nanny state) to keep themselves and their children in order. IOW's, freedom, true freedom, scares the crap out of them...yes, they are cowards.

[Roscoe]

Matsuidon was one of the calmest and most gentlemanly posters on FR

No, he was a lowlife who committed murder. Good riddance.

[Byron_the_Aussie]

..he was a fruit loop, which is why he met his end...

You're full of it, CP.

You wouldn't have a clue, but you're on safe ground slandering a dead man, right?

[Byron_the_Aussie]

Matsuidon was one of the calmest and most gentlemanly posters on FR, or anywhere else.
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I'm sure he was "calm and gentlemanly" as he opened fire on the police, right?
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My comment was clearly related to his posting style. Seek help, for your comprehension issues.

[Byron_the_Aussie]

..if you reviewed his posts, you could see that confrontation coming - you could see the building hysteria, the paranoia, the loss of perspective, rationality, human decency and common sense....

You're projecting, again.

Ninety percent of his stuff was on Yahoo, for starters.

[Byron_the_Aussie]

..didn't he kill a cop?...

Oh. You didn't know?

You do the 'dilettante with darts' thing very well, Hank.

The question is, it worth doing?

[Byron_the_Aussie]

..maybe you should save your Hosper efforts for a more productive thread...

Will do. First of all, I have to rustle up an old magazine, anyway. Cheers, By

[Byron_the_Aussie]

...I have to say I'm a little saddened by the zeal with which some folks here go after the FSP, which is a natural ally of FR...

Don't worry about it. You had a most interesting board, from my brief perusal. Keep the posts coming? Cheers, Byron

[Byron_the_Aussie]

..the sad case of that particular individual seems to fit the pattern of responsibility-shirking we see occasionally....

CJ, you don't know the facts, okay? The only two people who do are tragically and needlessly dead. Don't try and score a few points off that. Regards, By