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Free Stater allegedly arrested for passing out FSP literature at NRA convention
Free State Project ^ | 4/27/03 | DadaOrwell

Posted on 04/28/2003 1:22:36 AM PDT by Dada Orwell

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To: Liberal Classic
It rivals the claim by some whenever a militia nutcase is stopped for erratic or fast driving, speeds off, resists arrest, tries to run down a deputy, gets himself shot and killed, and then the ideologues try to claim that he was killed all because he was speeding. Do you seriously believe that the fellow was arrested merely for handing out literature?
61 posted on 04/28/2003 11:54:33 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
Do you seriously believe that the fellow was arrested merely for handing out literature?

My first thought was tresspassing. What does this have to do with Laci and Conner Peterson? Zilch.

62 posted on 04/28/2003 11:57:32 AM PDT by Liberal Classic (Quemadmoeum gladis nemeinum occidit, occidentis telum est.)
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To: Liberal Classic
That was my first thought as well. However, why would the NRA care? The Free State Project would leave it up to each individual as to wheather they carried or not. That'd pretty much put the NRA back to being a shooting sports organization.

I wonder how much money that'd lose for them....

63 posted on 04/28/2003 12:18:28 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: annyokie
Did Dad mean that in or a good or a bad way? I'll admit I am in the weeds here since I have never met a Libertarian who could explain his/her position on anything unless drugs are involved.

Judging from personal experience, I'd say his assessment was less-than-flattering for the Libbies. He had a knack for encapsulating things in very plain language. Once when I asked him what a radical was, his answer was simply, "Someone who wants to get a cushy job by overthrowing the guy who already has it."

-Jay

64 posted on 04/28/2003 1:06:49 PM PDT by Jay D. Dyson (Terrorists of the world, RISE UP! [So I may more easily gun you down.])
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To: Jay D. Dyson
"He had a knack for encapsulating things in very plain language."

So did my dad, although most of it is unprintable here. ; )
65 posted on 04/28/2003 1:11:40 PM PDT by annyokie
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To: Dada Orwell
From the horse's mouth at Free state project.

I've gotten permission from Tim to post this:

Greetings everyone. My apologies for not getting to you before now. My home network has gone into full meltdown mode and I lost my Internet access, necessitating printing out a huge volume of emails and bringing them to my office. Yes, I was arrested yesterday morning out side the Orange County Convention Center (Orlando, FL) for handing out FSP literature and refusing to cease doing so; I was then told to leave the (public) premises or I would be cited for "trespassing." I refused to leave, noting to the assembled security personnel and sheriff's deputies that I was on public (county) property, and that as such I had a right under the 1st Amendment to pass out literature at that venue. I also pointed out to them that I was a paid-up member of the NRA, I was a registered participant of the NRA convention, I was wearing an NRA sticker on my Free State Project T-shirt, the literature I was passing out was pro-gun rights (like the NRA's ostensible position), that no one was being impeded, and that the NRA members liked the content of the brochure (our tri-fold) and appreciated the Free State Project. (I did not at the time point out that on Friday there were other people handing out NRA literature along with me, nor that the following day, Saturday, those same people were handing out NRA literature inside the doors to the convention hall (which I never entered; all leafleting was done outside the doors to the convention center; people were handed FSP literature when they were entering or leaving the building). Upon telling them that I would not leave, and why, I was arrested under a state trespassing statute which I believe is a constitutional statute when applied to private property, but which was being utilized in an unconstitutional manner here. I was held for 12 hours at the Orange County jail, treated well by the sheriff's office personnel (who were probably treating me with kid-gloves because they knew I was a lawyer, and that this was a constitutional/civil rights challenge), before being bonded out on $500 bond by my wife Michele, who was working on it from Tampa, 100 miles away.

66 posted on 04/28/2003 1:56:41 PM PDT by thepitts (Hell hath no fury like vested interest masquerading as a moral principle)
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To: MEG33
On the Free State Forum, this message was posted today from Tim Condon, the person who was arrested and who, along with the NRA, is the subject of the original post on this thread.
Click here for FSP discussion

Jason Sorens, founder of the Free State Project, wrote:
I've gotten permission from Tim to post this.

Greetings everyone. My apologies for not getting to you before now. My home network has gone into full meltdown mode and I lost my Internet access, necessitating printing out a huge volume of emails and bringing them to my office. Yes, I was arrested yesterday morning out side the Orange County Convention Center (Orlando, FL) for handing out FSP literature and refusing to cease doing so; I was then told to leave the (public) premises or I would be cited for "trespassing." I refused to leave, noting to the assembled security personnel and sheriff's deputies that I was on public (county) property, and that as such I had a right under the 1st Amendment to pass out literature at that venue. I also pointed out to them that I was a paid-up member of the NRA, I was a registered participant of the NRA convention, I was wearing an NRA sticker on my Free State Project T-shirt, the literature I was passing out was pro-gun rights (like the NRA's ostensible position), that no one was being impeded, and that the NRA members liked the content of the brochure (our tri-fold) and appreciated the Free State Project. (I did not at the time point out that on Friday there were other people handing out NRA literature along with me, nor that the following day, Saturday, those same people were handing out NRA literature inside the doors to the convention hall (which I never entered; all leafleting was done outside the doors to the convention center; people were handed FSP literature when they were entering or leaving the building). Upon telling them that I would not leave, and why, I was arrested under a state trespassing statute which I believe is a constitutional statute when applied to private property, but which was being utilized in an unconstitutional manner here. I was held for 12 hours at the Orange County jail, treated well by the sheriff's office personnel (who were probably treating me with kid-gloves because they knew I was a lawyer, and that this was a constitutional/civil rights challenge), before being bonded out on $500 bond by my wife Michele, who was working on it from Tampa, 100 miles away.

67 posted on 04/28/2003 2:00:05 PM PDT by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: Dada Orwell
As for the Free state project, will it work? I certainly do not know. What I do know for certain is that voting isn't working, big government is getting bigger every day, voting for a so called "conservative" president has advanced the liberal agenda at a breath taking rate.

So, who knows but, don't think that the feds will just ignore it and let it threaten the status quo.

68 posted on 04/28/2003 2:06:32 PM PDT by thepitts (Hell hath no fury like vested interest masquerading as a moral principle)
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To: Catspaw; Roscoe; Cultural Jihad
No doubt he was loudly and with great production of spittle waxing eloquently about how the constimatooshun gives anybody the right to walk into a bank with a machine gun, and how everybody just has to get over it.

That was just before he gave his primary signature statement of "they'll take my M1A1 Abrams when they pry my smoking, charred corpse out of its blackened turret".

69 posted on 04/28/2003 2:09:20 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (they'll take my Stinger when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers in the short term airport lot...)
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To: Dead Corpse
I'm still trying to figure out what the hell the problem is with Libertarian ideology on this board.

Was a time, half of the political ideology espoused on this board was libertarian(as I recall).

The problem *now* is that the Republican Party doesn't feel like it can walk the libertarian walk for fear of losing votes, not to mention damaging the vested interests of many big donors. So the Republican talking points coming out via every pubbie outlet are slandering the name "libertarian" so that the party faithful won't think about it, pressure the Party to live up to it, or stray from the fold.

And the artificial buzz buzzes loud here on FR.

70 posted on 04/28/2003 2:15:43 PM PDT by Yeti
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To: Dada Orwell
did they take the Literature from his "cold dead hands"?
71 posted on 04/28/2003 2:18:34 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: Solitar
QUESTION: did the NRA rent the premises? If'n so, this was tantamount to private property, and if the NRA officials said nix to his presence, well sorry trespassing boy.
72 posted on 04/28/2003 2:33:56 PM PDT by drlevy88
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To: headsonpikes
...I met John Hospers in 1996. Now there was a philosopher who backed his words with deeds!...

Yep. I've got a picture of him, protesting outside the Australian consular offices in California. I really should retype an article on all this from the Libertarian magazine of the time, and post it on FR. A lot of the newer Libs would probably be interested?

73 posted on 04/28/2003 2:45:41 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Cultural Jihad
..it rivals the claim by some whenever a militia nutcase is stopped for erratic or fast driving, speeds off, resists arrest, tries to run down a deputy, gets himself shot and killed, and then the ideologues try to claim that he was killed all because he was speeding...

What a disgusting and contemptible thing to write about someone you never even met, all because you hate his philosophy. You really are a disgrace at times, Cultural Jihad.

74 posted on 04/28/2003 2:48:02 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie; Cultural Jihad; Roscoe; Kevin Curry; Dane
The person who did what CJ was talking about was someone who posted here - he was the one who did the disgusting and contemptible act. In case your mind needs refreshing he killed a young father over a speeding ticket - all out of an arrogantly ignorant view of what his 4 brain cells imagined what the constimatooshin said.

If you reviewed his posts, you could see that confrontation coming - you could see the building hysteria, the paranoia, the loss of perspective, rationality, human decency and common sense. These threads often bring those elements out.

Of course, what was even more disgusting and contemptible were those who either excused, whitewashed or otherwise tried to justify a heinous act.

75 posted on 04/28/2003 3:15:14 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Solitar
... refused to leave, noting to the assembled security personnel and sheriff's deputies that I was on public (county) property, and that as such I had a right under the 1st Amendment to pass out literature at that venue. I also pointed out to them that I was a paid-up member of the NRA, I was a registered participant of the NRA convention, I was wearing an NRA sticker on my Free State Project T-shirt, the literature I was passing out was pro-gun rights (like the NRA's ostensible position), that no one was being impeded, and that the NRA members liked the content of the brochure (our tri-fold) and appreciated the Free State Project. (I did not at the time point out that on Friday there were other people handing out NRA literature along with me, nor that the following day, Saturday, those same people were handing out NRA literature inside the doors to the convention hall (which I never entered; all leafleting was done outside the doors to the convention center; people were handed FSP literature when they were entering or leaving the building).

At which point the cop probably arrested him just to shut him up. Sometimes it is best to simply close your mouth and do what the nice policeman tells you to do.

76 posted on 04/28/2003 3:21:29 PM PDT by strela ("... you're lucky you still have your brown paper bag, small change ...")
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
..To: Cultural Jihad; Roscoe; Kevin Curry; Dane...

He he he.

Yeah, ping your posse, so I only have to say this once: you're a liar. Matsuidon was one of the calmest and most gentlemanly posters on FR, or anywhere else. Your whole bunch on their best day couldn't hold a candle to him, in debate. So I can see why you're so keen to smear him now he's dead.

77 posted on 04/28/2003 3:44:18 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
He was a fruit loop, which is why he met his end, and which is why he murdered a young cop.

Want to talk about how he escalated a traffic stop into a full scale gun battle, where the aggression was all his?

Calm and gentlemanly, my a**.

78 posted on 04/28/2003 4:10:33 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
He was a fruit loop, which is why he met his end, and which is why he murdered a young cop.

Want to talk about how he escalated a traffic stop into a full scale gun battle, where the aggression was all his?

Calm and gentlemanly, my a**.

79 posted on 04/28/2003 4:11:06 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Matsuidon was one of the calmest and most gentlemanly posters on FR, or anywhere else.

I'm sure he was "calm and gentlemanly" as he opened fire on the police, right?

He said that if the police officer had not sworn an oath to HIS (matsuidon's) personal satisfaction, that was a capital crime.

80 posted on 04/28/2003 4:16:54 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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