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Anti-War Crowd Demands Proof of WMD's
Insight Magazine ^ | April 28, 2003 | Jamie Dettmer - London

Posted on 04/28/2003 7:16:34 PM PDT by Chirodoc

Despite the insistence of the Pentagon that a menacing arsenal of weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) eventually will be found in Iraq, the failure after more than a month of war and occupation to unearth even a single illegal warhead or a drum of prohibited chemicals is causing alarm in political circles here. Already British Prime Minister Tony Blair is coming under mounting pressure in the House of Commons to agree to setting up a formal British parliamentary inquiry into Saddam Hussein's WMD programs and the claims made about them before the war by the intelligence services.

Prior to the war both U.S. and British intelligence were behind a series of claims involving, as it emerged, some faked documents. The British insisted that Iraq, for example, had obtained "significant quantities of uranium from Africa" and identified the source as Niger. George W. Bush highlighted the allegation in a speech, but the International Atomic Energy Agency later determined the documents on which the claim was based had been forged - a conclusion that left Downing Street red-faced and on the defensive in the House of Commons.

Some British government members remain uneasy; so too do Conservative leaders who were supportive of the prime minister in the run-up to the war and during the fighting. They have warned Downing Street that there could be major political consequences if nothing large is found and that Blair then will be faced with claims that he - and the Bush administration - exaggerated the danger and set out to deceive the world.

A hue-and-cry about the absence so far of WMDs already is under way in the press here with The Independent on Sunday, among other influential publications, demanding, "So where are they, Mr. Blair?"

Such blunt questioning hasn't surfaced yet in the United States. The U.S. media, which many Europeans think hasn't been skeptical enough throughout the crisis, has concentrated more on stories about the rebuilding of Iraq and the growing anti-Americanism being exhibited by Iraqi Shiites. American media appear more ready on the whole to trust Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's assurances that a massive WMD program will be uncovered in time. Most seemed unfazed by Rumsfeld's comment that it may take up to a year to find the warheads and the tons of chemical and biological toxins he insists Saddam had hidden.

That remark earned scorn in the United Kingdom, with some politicians and journalists questioning the argument that Saddam's regime could have been that cunning in concealing the weapons. They maintain the shambolic nature of the regime, as revealed by the manner and speed of its collapse, suggests that Baghdad wasn't capable of hiding WMD programs.

Furthermore, there are few here who believe the claims being made by some in the Bush administration that Saddam was able to ship the weapons to Syria. Independent military experts say it is highly unlikely that Saddam would have decided to disarm himself at a time when the regime's survival was on the line.

There even are a few in the Bush administration losing confidence in their prewar belief that U.S. intelligence agencies and the Pentagon had a strong line on the whereabouts of WMDs. Not that they are saying Saddam wasn't attempting to develop such programs. Their point - and they include senior officials at the State Department - is that the U.N. weapons-inspection regime and economic sanctions on Iraq made it far more difficult for Saddam to fulfill his ambitions.

No doubt the effort to discover what Saddam was up to has been made harder by regime loyalists stealing and burning files, electronic data and equipment from the nonconventional arms programs, all under the cover of the recent widespread looting. Belatedly, U.S. Central Command has begun to expand security around a wider range of facilities in a bid to secure evidence that Pentagon officials maintain is melting away.

Douglas Feith, the undersecretary of defense for policy, claimed recently that some of the "looting is actually strategic," especially when it comes to government ministries. Feith insists that evidence will emerge eventually and that critics should be patient. "There's a common assumption that if you know they have chemical or biological weapons, then your intelligence should be good enough to know where they are," he remarked recently.

Pentagon officials say the 50 WMD-related facilities now being protected by U.S. forces represent just a tiny fraction of the many thousands of government and Ba'ath Party offices, state enterprises, prisons, barracks and private homes where Saddam may have hidden evidence of nonconventional arms.

That may be so, but the absence of evidence so far contrasts jarringly with the certainty being expressed before the war by the Bush and Blair teams about their knowledge of Saddam's WMD programs. In the weeks to come pressure likely will grow on the White House and Downing Street to make good on all of that prewar certainty. If they can't, either because what Saddam had was exaggerated by Washington and London or because of a brilliant concealment effort by Baghdad, critics of the war will at last have some hefty ammunition to fire.


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1 posted on 04/28/2003 7:16:34 PM PDT by Chirodoc
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To: Chirodoc
It is probably not astonishing that those screaming for absolutel proof have ignored the more important aspect of going into Iraq to depose the reigime: Saddam and his goons supported and trained and supplied many terrorist organizations, some of which are a real threat to the US and BG. It has already been proven that Saddam had a weapons development program for chem/bio weapons, that he purchases huge amounts of the chemicals and equipment necessary to produce chem/bio weapons, and that he had tons and tons of the stuff when GF I ended and hasn't yet acounted for the stockpiles. Do these screaming ffols want to allow a nation like Iraq under Saddam Insane to possess and develop at will, while they train and fund and supply terrorists? It appears these fools do want to allow just that ... and therein is the reason why a whole new way of dealing with nations that aid and abet terrorists must be undertaken, pre-empting the bastards before they can act. It will save ven the life of the fools trying to aly bare our collective necks for the terrorists, but that cannot be helped. Maybe they will avail themselves to act as human shields around and inside of targeted enemy assets, allowing a solution to two problems at once.
2 posted on 04/28/2003 7:27:28 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
Something for ALL of us to consider. You know, it is easy to forget the 'promises' that Bill and Hillary made while in office. It strikes home when it is listed like this.

After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and injured 1,000; President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed 224 and injured 5,000; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 39 U.S. sailors; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

Maybe if Clinton had kept his promise, an estimated 3,000 people in New York and Washington, D.C. that are now dead would be alive today.

And, now that Bush is taking action to bring these people to justice, we have opponents charging him with being a war monger...and if he doesn't produce OBL and Saddam well he BROKE his promise and the LIBERALS will crucify him at election time. All the while forgeting Slick Willie and Hitlery promised justice and didn't deliver it.

3 posted on 04/28/2003 7:32:18 PM PDT by GailA (Millington Rally for America after action http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/872519/posts)
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To: GailA
Problem with Slick is that he would get caught with his pants down literally and everyone would forget about his promises about anything of foreign affairs, which he probably didnt mind.
4 posted on 04/28/2003 7:38:52 PM PDT by Chirodoc
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To: Chirodoc
Anti-War Crowd Demands Proof of WMD's

The phrase "Be careful what you wish for" comes to mind :)


5 posted on 04/28/2003 7:40:58 PM PDT by Nick Danger (The liberals are slaughtering themselves at the gates of the newsroom)
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To: GailA
BUMP! for everything you said, except, "The liberals will crucify him." THey will want to Crucify him, and will if they can, but I believe a majority of Americans are developing their long term memories, and won't be as absent minded as the loonie left, desperately wishes them to be.
6 posted on 04/28/2003 7:41:38 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell
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To: MHGinTN
Now wait a second. We--or you (I cannot in good conscience defend your proposition)--can say that all we want about funding terrorists, etc. There WERE many reasons, but the primary reason put forth was the purported WMDs, which is why the U.N., including the inspectors, became such a factor. Had it been terrorist funding, which was only speculated about before the war began, we could have easily and with very little negative P.R. gone ahead with the regime change. In fact, we would have been cheered on by a lot of people who are negative.

Nope, we'd better find WMDs or we will look like asses.

7 posted on 04/28/2003 7:45:44 PM PDT by jammer
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To: GailA
It is indeed astonishing that the sinkEmperor mouthed so much and did so little to guard this nation. When I tell people that clinton declared the war on terrorists/ terrorism, then did next to nothing to wage or even prepare for the war, they are conflcited, but fall back on some inane apology for the bent one.

I would argue that clinton's mouthing without doing is what further encouraged bin Laden to plan and carry out his plot, sure that America would do as clinton had been doing ... nothing. When Bush senior left office, Iraq tried to kill him in Kuwait. sinkEmperor can rest assured that no terrorist will try to kill him because he caused them no harm whatsoever, endangered them not one iota, but he talked like he would. He was diagnosed as a pussy by bin Laden and then he proved it by doing nothing to make binny angry. Even when Mansoor Ijaz worked out a capture with the Sudanese government, sinkwillie was too busy diddling interns and anything else with lips to take Laden into American custody.

Sadly, it isn't the deviant ex-president who will reap the whirlwind he has sown, it is the American people, our children and homes and places of work. Sadder still, there is a too large constituency of the democrat party that will never be able to make the connection for why democrats cannot be trusted to defend this nation, because they are blinded with bitterness that Goreghoul wasn't successful manipulating the Supreme Courts of Flordia and the U.S. to take the Whitehouse.

8 posted on 04/28/2003 7:46:51 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: jammer
Do you realize that the labs at Baghdad University could have been producing bio weapons and we wouldn't be able to prove it if the weapons were destroyed days before the war started or even days after. Would you prefer the weapons, or what is left of the stocks of bio weapons would have left Iraq with important al Qaeda or Hamas or Hezbollah operatives?... Would you like US to take that chance with future terrorist sponsoring states?
9 posted on 04/28/2003 7:51:32 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
You're making an argument entirely different than the one I answered. I realize a lot of things, but primarily I realize that major egg will be on our faces if some hard evidence is not found. You won't like it. I won't like it. But we will be left standing there with our pants down. Don't shoot the messenger.

My post was in response to your statement that our primary motive in the invasion was terrorist funding by Iraq. I'm saying that's not true.

10 posted on 04/28/2003 7:55:50 PM PDT by jammer
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To: jammer
Duck and Cover

Richard W.
11 posted on 04/28/2003 7:57:30 PM PDT by arete (Greenspan is a ruling class elitist and closet socialist who is destroying the economy)
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To: Chirodoc
Since there is no proof of WMD, we must re-install Saddam as dictator effective immediately .

We admit we were wrong and sorry about the whole thing :(

Oh yeah, don't forget to put those children back in prison before you leave and clean up these high voltage electric cables for shocking innocent people.

Throw those people back down the dank and filthy holes they were stuffed in for years and years.

Almost forgot to put the professional rapists back on the payroll, make sure you gave them back pay for their loss of pleasure and income.

12 posted on 04/28/2003 7:58:22 PM PDT by JZoback (Don't have such an open mind, your brain falls out)
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To: jammer
If we dont find WMD, for whatever reason, i dont think out pants will be down. Iraq will have become such a novel model of Arab democracy and its people so happy that WMd's just wont matter.
13 posted on 04/28/2003 8:10:56 PM PDT by Chirodoc
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To: Chirodoc
How absurd. Those lefties wouldn't believe there were WMD if they stuck their nose in them. (which isn't a bad idea, btw :-) ) If they did prove it to them, they would say Bush and Rummy planted them. This is all politics, dirty politics at that!
14 posted on 04/28/2003 8:13:19 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: ladyinred
Its certainly ironic. The same people that are demanding for instant proof of WMD are the same people that were saying we have to give Hans more time.

But their objective has always been the same, to undermine W and the U.S.
15 posted on 04/28/2003 8:20:26 PM PDT by revtown
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To: Chirodoc
There even are a few in the Bush administration losing confidence in their prewar belief that U.S. intelligence agencies and the Pentagon had a strong line on the whereabouts of WMDs. Not that they are saying Saddam wasn't attempting to develop such programs. Their point - and they include senior officials at the State Department - is that the U.N. weapons-inspection regime and economic sanctions on Iraq made it far more difficult for Saddam to fulfill his ambitions.

That's funny...even the UN claimed there were tons of chemical and biological WMDs that were unaccounted for.

And it doesn't make sense that Saddam was willing to lose billions in oil revenues over sanctions..when he could have easily complied with UN demands instead of fighting them.

Liberals are like children...until the war was won..it was a quagmire and Vietnam...and until the hidden WMDs are found, Bush will be a liar according to them.

16 posted on 04/28/2003 8:21:28 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: JZoback
Since there is no proof of WMD, we must re-install Saddam as dictator effective immediately .

Don't forget the terrorist training camps. We have to get both of those back up and running.

Also, I think there was one...no two suicide bombings since Saddam fell. So, we owe the Palestinians $50,000.

Last, turn Syria's illegal oil supply back on.

Oh..as we leave, collect all those religious banners and protest signs the Shias, Shi'ites have been using. They wont need those anymore.

17 posted on 04/28/2003 8:29:25 PM PDT by Aaron0617
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To: revtown
Thing is, theyre so desparate, they have to do something.
18 posted on 04/28/2003 8:42:02 PM PDT by Chirodoc
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To: revtown
Contrary to popular belief, there are people, including myself, that are concerned that WMD's have not been found. I do not consider myself a liberal, but I am mighty touchy about some slicker trying to sell me a bill of goods under false pretenses. This is one reason I am disenchanted by the Democrats.

I remember well, what the arguments were for going to the UN, for chastising Germany, France, China, and Russia for not backing us. It is imperative we find WMD's to clear our name and reputation. If not, we wind up with egg on our faces, and the conservatives expose themselves to the public as being just as big a liars as the liberals. This is serious business, if you respect the long-term trend for conservatism.

19 posted on 04/28/2003 8:42:30 PM PDT by meenie
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To: Chirodoc
I agree that you, along with 99% of the people on this forum, won't think our pants are down. My point was that ALL the anti-war activists, many in the middle, and most foreign populations (who are aware of the issue) WILL think so. I hope we find WMDs.
20 posted on 04/28/2003 8:42:52 PM PDT by jammer
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