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SARS cases pass 6,000; more than 400 dead
upi ^ | 05/02/2003 | Michael Smith

Posted on 05/03/2003 4:01:22 AM PDT by Judith Anne

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To: Nebullis
But China now has 75% of the active cases worldwide, so, if growth is exponential in China, its figures alone would make the spread worldwide appear to approach being exponential.
61 posted on 05/03/2003 9:12:13 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: FITZ
What if some people felt a little under the weather, didn't go to the doctor, didn't get treated but got better and it was really SARS?

It would be nice of lots of folks are getting such a mild case of SARS that they do not know it. This has been researched, and the evidence thus far does not support this.

14% of the Canadians in the "suspected" category who did not go on to full blown SARS had the SARS virus in their body.

The pattern of transmission of SARS does not show many unidentified sources, leading to the belief that there are not many non-symptomatic carriers.

The initial outbreak in Hong Kong was at Prince of Wales Hospital. Most of the staff that got SARS was quite ill, a few were relatively "mild" cases (still took a long time to recover), and none were found with such mild cases that they only seemed to have a mild cold. Obviously some could have been missed, but this is as close to a laboratory setting as you can get.

On balance, it looks like SARS has few mild cases.

NOTE: Even a person with a "mild" case can pass on a severe case. The U.S. CDC has identified situations where a "mild" SARS victim nevertheless caused multiple cases of "severe" SARS.

62 posted on 05/03/2003 9:15:31 AM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever.)
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To: FL_engineer
No major changes. China still has little or no apparent containment.

NO exponential growth in the case numbers either - I'd call that 'containment' (to a degree anyway) ...

63 posted on 05/03/2003 9:15:57 AM PDT by _Jim (Guangdong doctor linked as source of SARS in China: http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030320/09/)
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To: _Jim
Do you believe the reported Chinese numbers?

If not, how do you know whether the growth is exponential or not?
64 posted on 05/03/2003 9:17:31 AM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever.)
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To: EternalHope
NOTE: Even a person with a "mild" case can pass on a severe case. The U.S. CDC has identified situations where a "mild" SARS victim nevertheless caused multiple cases of "severe" SARS.

I hadn't seen that. I was hoping that mild cases reflected a virus which had mutated into a less dangerous form.

Just about every day, it seems, we have to go back to the drawing board...

65 posted on 05/03/2003 9:18:19 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: FITZ
What if some people felt a little under the weather, didn't go to the doctor, didn't get treated but got better and it was really SARS?

I'm on board with this theory too - that MANY cases are not seeing the severe aspect that some experience, hence, no official report to to the authorities.

Without the selection of a random 'control' group from the population at large whose symptoms and current health is recorded day by day we'll never know either ...

66 posted on 05/03/2003 9:19:20 AM PDT by _Jim (Guangdong doctor linked as source of SARS in China: http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030320/09/)
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To: aristeides
I suspect that the spread of SARS follows an exponential growth curve based on the nature of the disease and its transmission (airborne, etc.) plus the simple fact that containment doesn't work. If you look at China's numbers only, the curve should look the same as the rest of the world. Regional policies don't make a whit of difference in the ultimate course of this epidemic.
67 posted on 05/03/2003 9:20:18 AM PDT by Nebullis
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To: EternalHope
Do you believe the reported Chinese numbers?

BECAUSE, darlin, when SARS first infected China IF the infection rate WOULD HAVE been exponential we would now see case numbers in the six and seven digit range - WE DON'T - and it would be MOST DIFFICULT to obscure 'numbers' that large ...

68 posted on 05/03/2003 9:21:54 AM PDT by _Jim (Guangdong doctor linked as source of SARS in China: http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030320/09/)
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To: EternalHope
Even a person with a "mild" case can pass on a severe case.

But that's always true of every virus or bacteria. You can have a mild cold that doesn't affect you much at all but sneeze on someone on chemotherapy or who has AIDS or for other reasons has a weak immune system and they die. Thousands of people die from colds and flus that are only slightly annoying to most of us.

69 posted on 05/03/2003 9:22:15 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: Nebullis
Growth is apparently exponential in the absence of effective public health measures. But such effective public health measures have kept growth well below exponential in such places as Canada, Singapore, and Hong Kong.
70 posted on 05/03/2003 9:22:27 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: EternalHope
I question the research. How many people have actually had antibody titers performed on their serum?
71 posted on 05/03/2003 9:24:11 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: _Jim
I think we have this illness largely contained in the first hot spots that detected it. It's not quite under contol in Hong Kong, but it's getting close. Singapore may have every victim already hospitalized. It looks that way.

Things are getting rapidly worse in Taiwan right now, but they're taking draconian action there, and it should be only a matter of time before they control it.

A few new cases keep popping up around the world and I think that's going to continue to happen until the virus is controlled like it is in Toronto and Singapore.

All of this progress may be for naught, though, depending on what happens in rural China. The authorities there turned it loose on a population of a billion people, and there are no facilities to control or contain it. It's either going to die out on its own, or it's likely to break out into the general population of the planet, perhaps sometime this coming winter.

72 posted on 05/03/2003 9:26:21 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: FITZ
I question the research. How many people have actually had antibody titers performed on their serum?

If I remember correctly, the Canadians checked every single person, both probable and suspected. That would mean hundreds of people were checked.

73 posted on 05/03/2003 9:27:25 AM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever.)
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To: EternalHope
It's still early to check antibody titers on the others because it takes a couple weeks for the immune response ---but if you're only testing suspected and probably cases and not checking asymtomatic cases your numbers are obviously skewed.
74 posted on 05/03/2003 9:29:29 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
How many people besides those showing symptoms have had a SARS antibody titer performed on their blood?

The converse is also true. How many listed as SARS actually don't have it? I posted an article on the WHO's guidelines HERE I will quote the pertinent lines:

WHO revises SARS case definition
WHO has today updated its case definition for SARS to take into account the appropriate use of results from laboratory tests. Several diagnostic tests have been developed by various laboratories for the detection of the SARS virus and antibodies to the virus. However, all presently available tests have specific strengths and weaknesses.

For this reason, WHO continues to advise clinicians that patients should not have their case definition category downgraded while awaiting results of laboratory testing or on the basis of negative results.

WHO is concerned that inappropriate use of laboratory results can have a negative impact on patient management and selection of an appropriate level of infection control. Therefore, negative test results for the SARS virus cannot be used to exclude infection in either suspect or probable cases. In contrast, positive results of quality-assured laboratory testing can add to the efficacy of SARS case management, provided tests are properly conducted and interpreted.

Positive virus results from lab tests demonstrate that the patient is excreting virus, or its genetic material, and thus might pose a risk of disease transmission to others. Consequently, suspect SARS cases with a positive lab result (virus isolation or PCR) should be classified and reported as probable cases.

Guidance for quality assurance, particularly for PCR tests, has been posted at the WHO website. See Recommendations for laboratories testing by PCR for presence of SARS coronavirus -RNA

This means that if you have a viral pnuemonia without the positive test you are still considered SARS. Add that to the fact that the only reliable info we have had is from Toronto and their death rate is substantially above the reported death rate for the rest of the world and the numbers for the rest of the world become suspect.

75 posted on 05/03/2003 9:31:55 AM PDT by Nov3
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To: Dog Gone
"NOTE: Even a person with a "mild" case can pass on a severe case. The U.S. CDC has identified situations where a "mild" SARS victim nevertheless caused multiple cases of "severe" SARS."

That's because the severity of the case is dependent not only upon the present health of the patient prior to contracting this but also upon the genetic make up of the patient...

"More importantly, the H131 version is present in 61% of ethnic Chinese, 50% of Japanese, while only 23% of Caucasians or Asian Indians have the high affinity H131 CD32 receptor."
76 posted on 05/03/2003 9:34:34 AM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...Anyone have a job for me up at the north pole? I scrub floors and do windows.)
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To: FITZ; neither-nor; All
India free of SARS, but not the SARS virus: Officials.
77 posted on 05/03/2003 9:36:05 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: FITZ
Oh 40% of the cases in Toronto did not test positive for the virus!
78 posted on 05/03/2003 9:37:33 AM PDT by Nov3
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To: FITZ
It's still early to check antibody titers on the others because it takes a couple weeks for the immune response ---but if you're only testing suspected and probably cases and not checking asymtomatic cases your numbers are obviously skewed.

True, which is why I posted the other evidence on this issue as well.

If we were missing any significant number of infected people we would be seeing cases of SARS with no traceable source. We are not (at least in the western world).

79 posted on 05/03/2003 9:42:17 AM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever.)
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To: FL_engineer
Thanks for the ping.

The numbers here seem to conflict with what I just read elsewhere. The article I read said the total number of cases was at 1611 with deaths at, I think, 170. What am I missing?
80 posted on 05/03/2003 9:45:58 AM PDT by Mr. Mulliner (HTTP 404 - File not found)
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