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Iraq War's Impact Spreads in Arab World
AP | 5/03/03 | PAUL GEITNER

Posted on 05/03/2003 8:00:48 AM PDT by kattracks

Iraq War's Impact Spreads in Arab World

By PAUL GEITNER .c The Associated Press

CAIRO, Egypt (AP) - While President Bush has declared major fighting over in Iraq, the repercussions of the war for the rest of the Mideast are just starting to be felt, and it's an open question about whether for better or worse.

Radical regimes in Syria and Iran are suddenly toning down the anti-U.S. rhetoric and urging dialogue. Authoritarian leaders in Egypt and Jordan are talking - with varying degrees of enthusiasm - about democratization, while militants in the streets of Cairo and Amman predict a wave of new recruits to fight the American occupiers and their supporters.

``Announcing the end of the military operations doesn't mean the end of the war,'' said Tareq Masarweh, a prominent Jordanian columnist who foresees ``popular resistance'' as long as the U.S. military remains in Iraq.

How the replacement of Saddam Hussein with a presumably pro-U.S. government in Baghdad will affect regional politics is one of the biggest uncertainties.

Awed by Washington's display of firepower in Iraq, no one looks likely to claim Saddam's mantle as leader of defiance to the West.

Even Syria, which likes to refer to itself as the ``heart of Arabism,'' welcomed U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell this weekend for tough talk about its own weapons program, allegations that Damascus aided Saddam's regime and links to terrorism.

``The U.S. doesn't need to invade any more countries,'' said Iman Hamdi, an expert on Mideast affairs at the American University in Cairo. ``We've got the message.''

Lebanon also has felt the heat because of the presence there of the Syrian- and Iranian-backed Hezbollah guerrilla group, which is on the State Department's list of terrorist organizations.

Beirut regards Hezbollah as a legitimate resistance movement against Israel. But Hezbollah's leader, Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, seems worried too.

``In the end, we are facing a new reality,'' he told supporters after the U.S. victory in Iraq.

Iranian hard-liners are signaling a new willingness to consider the possibility of restoring ties with Washington, cut since the 1979 Islamic revolution and hostage-taking at the U.S. Embassy.

Iran's former president threw his weight last month behind the idea of a referendum on restoring ties - an idea believed to have broad popular support despite official opposition.

After Washington charged Iran was trying to promote an Iranian-style theocracy in Iraq, Tehran was quick to deny it.

``Tehran does not want any friction with Washington over issues concerning Iraq,'' said Hasan Rowhani, secretary of Iran's powerful Supreme National Security Council.

Some have suggested Washington's professed determination to establish a democratic government in Iraq could have a domino effect in the region - depending on how it goes.

``If it fails and Iraq descends into civil strife ... the effect would be devastating,'' said Fawaz Gerges, professor of Mideast studies at Sarah Lawrence College in New York. ``Militant forces would be strengthened. America's vital interests and local allies would be endangered.''

Some of those moderate allies have been taking democratic steps, even if small ones.

Bahrain had its first parliamentary elections in three decades last October. Qatari voters approved their first constitution this week and the first parliamentary elections are expected next year.

In Jordan, which has been without a parliament for two years, King Abdullah II promises elections will finally go ahead June 17.

``That'll get us back on the right track as quickly as possible,'' he said in a CNN interview. ``We're not looking over our shoulder. I mean we're looking to the future and moving.''

By contrast, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak dismissed the notion that ``imposing democracy by force'' in Iraq would result in wholesale reforms in the Islamic world or a lessening of fanaticism.

He said Wednesday that Arab countries were trying to bring democracy ``according to their own standards.''

Mubarak wields ultimate control in Egypt under emergency laws in place since the 1981 assassination of his predecessor, Anwar Sadat, by extremists opposed to the peace deal with Israel.

Saudi Arabia, an absolute monarchy, is also feeling rattled.

Just before the war, the ruling family allowed human rights teams to visit and meet with reformers, a signal that it senses change is the best way to protect its rule.

Mass popular disillusionment with Arab governments after the Iraq war could also undermine the already divided 22-nation Arab League.

Rounds of summitry over the Iraq crisis degenerated into bickering and name-calling. Joint pronouncements against the war were undermined by some members who helped the U.S.-led invasion force, whether overtly or quietly.

The league's ``teeth are made of flesh,'' said Ayed al-Manna, a political analyst in Kuwait, which has sharply criticized the league.

Some analysts say the main impact of the war may be to force Arabs and their leaders to address their problems - and the rest of the world - more honestly.

``The only positive thing in the long run is it's going to make people here wake up to all the illusions they have with the West,'' Hamdi said. ``It puts things in perspective and maybe then we can find a way to better serve our own interests.''

05/03/03 10:34 EDT


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antiamericanism; arableague; arabstreet; bushdoctrine; bushdoctrineunfold; egypt; hezbollah; iran; iraq; iraqifreedom; jordan; kuwait; lessons; next; saudiarabia; syria
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To: LS
Post #10

(visualize British parliament) Hear, hear!!!

41 posted on 05/03/2003 4:53:18 PM PDT by Cordova Belle ("America is great because she is good. When America ceases to be good, she will cease to be great.")
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To: Teetop; LS; George W. Bush
I'm having fun, watching this!
42 posted on 05/03/2003 4:59:23 PM PDT by Cordova Belle ("America is great because she is good. When America ceases to be good, she will cease to be great.")
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To: toddst
No, he did not say it. I am a professor of American 20th century history. This is an "urban [pacific] myth." The MOVIE said it.
43 posted on 05/03/2003 5:20:50 PM PDT by LS
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To: caltrop
He DIDN'T say it. Even "pop" sources like these sites have mistakenly picked up on this. Look at Spector, "The Eagle Against the Sun." Look at ANY substantive history of the Pacific War. Nagumo said something like "I cannot predict what will happen after six months," but no one ever said anything about a "sleeping giant." Pure Hollywood.
44 posted on 05/03/2003 5:22:45 PM PDT by LS
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To: Teetop
This is a WEB PAGE for crying out loud. Give me one established historian of the Japanese empire in the Pacific or WW II who claims this. It is not factual. Amazing how urban legends can even infiltrate the military.
45 posted on 05/03/2003 5:24:44 PM PDT by LS
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To: Cordova Belle
The way I learned that this was a phoney is that I got CAUGHT using it by a MILITARY GUY who since became a history prof, teaching military history was reviewing my mansuscript section on WW II, and HE HAD THE SOURCES.

I think Morison's Naval history of WW II correctly cites this. I'm almost certain Gordon Prange's books, "At Dawn We Slept" and "Pearl Harbor: the Verdict of History" discuss this mis-quotation.

46 posted on 05/03/2003 5:27:13 PM PDT by LS
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To: Teetop; Cordova Belle; LS
Looks like our professor settles it.

Don't feel bad, I was using this quote and paraphrasing it myself until last week. Just too good a line for real life, I think.
47 posted on 05/03/2003 6:06:37 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush
Well, it's what Admiral Yamamoto SHOULD HAVE said! Just no sense of history (or something.)
48 posted on 05/03/2003 6:29:47 PM PDT by toddst
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To: LS
I'm not referring to the quote about the sleeping giant. As I mentioned, I'm far more interested in the first Yamamoto quote - "You cannot invade the mainland United States. There is a rifle behind every blade of grass."
49 posted on 05/03/2003 6:37:18 PM PDT by caltrop
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To: caltrop
Oh, sorry, I didn't look at every posted link, as I thought they were all further references to the same thing. Yes, this is a good one.

Yamamoto was AT SEA precisely because he had gently resisted the warlords in both the Army and the Navy, and that was his "punishment." Whether he said what is mythically attributed to him, the second quotation is likely accurate. Not that it would have stopped the militarists from trying.

50 posted on 05/03/2003 6:42:53 PM PDT by LS
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To: George W. Bush
Like I said, I myself was "Ambrosed" in the process of a proof reading!
51 posted on 05/03/2003 6:43:26 PM PDT by LS
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To: kattracks
The U.S. doesn't need to invade any more countries...We've got the message.
Iranian hard-liners are signaling a new willingness to consider the possibility of restoring ties with Washington
Tehran does not want any friction with Washington

My, my, my...Sounds as if the Reagan Doctrine of Peace Through Strength strikes again. Why would liberals think there could ever be "peace" through weakness? Better to be proud and strong. Thank you President Bush.

52 posted on 05/03/2003 6:50:23 PM PDT by Libertina
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To: George W. Bush
Ok, so what you're saying is that the Army is plagiarizing quotes from hollyweird now, and posting them on their web sites? Ok.

I don't know for certain if he said those exact words, but I bet it was something close. He was in the US for many, MANY years leading up to World War 2, he knew what the US was capable of after an attack. So whether he said this exact quote or not, he said something close.

I knew better than to join the Army, that's why I went into the Air Force. (No offense to the Army or the personnel)
53 posted on 05/03/2003 7:29:43 PM PDT by Teetop (Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first.)
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To: Teetop
I don't know for certain if he said those exact words, but I bet it was something close.

A gracious concession.   ; )
54 posted on 05/03/2003 8:30:29 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Cordova Belle
Dillon was the Marshall.

Actually, they made 3 or 4 "made for TV" movies something like 10 years after the series ended. In these movies, Dillon had retired as a US Marshall and had gone into ranching. While I was happy to see they didn't beat the idea to death, these movies were pretty well done and interesting to watch.

55 posted on 05/03/2003 9:05:54 PM PDT by stevem
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