Hillary Goes to War--New York's junior senator has her eye on 2008.

Wall St Journal ^ | 5-6-03

[SJackson]

A week after the start of the war in Iraq, Donald Rumsfeld gave a briefing to the Senate Armed Services Committee. At the time, the advance of American troops toward Baghdad supposedly was bogged down -- it turned out they really weren't -- and the Bush administration was facing stiff criticism. But the defense secretary got strong support from an unexpected source, the newest member of the committee, Democratic Senator Hillary Clinton of New York.

[Tom Bombadil]

But the defense secretary got strong support from an unexpected source,

I am now reading Michiavelli's "The Prince", and it is really scary how Hillary is acting out his advice......Power is the goal and the only rule is that you must succeed at any cost. Say only what will curry favor with the people you need and it doesn't have to be the truth as long as it brings power......

[JohnEBoy]

There is an interesting tactic these democrats are using and, I believe, it shows their desperation. Both she and John Kerry have made statements to the effect that no one has the right to say they are unpatriotic for opposing the administration and they will fight the notion, etc., etc. Yet no one of national stature has ever said they are unpatriotic. (For me, she is the personification of unpatriotism.)

So her tactic is to set up a charge and then deny it, in essence, framing the question and the answer herself. In debating, I believe this is called the "straw man" tactic.

Yet, if you ask her a direct question, she will avoid answering it. Remember her "listening tour"? It was "I'm going around showing my face, but I am listening, therefore I cannot be expected to answer any questions."

I am sure we will see extentions and variations of this tactic as her presidential campaign ramps up.

[Stay the course]

Mr. Morris argues she's electable in 2008.

That's the best evidence I've seen that she can't win. But I suppose Morris has to be right someday about something. I just hope that when he is, someone is around to give me CPR.

Hillary's dilemma is that Bush currently looks unbeatable, so she'd like to wait until 2008, but she's definitely beatable in 2006 (at least if Rudy runs), and she'd hate to have to run as a washed-up former Senator.

[Mr. Bird]

The GOP needs to turn the '06 NY Senate campaign into a bloodbath. Almost more importantly than winning, the Pub candidate needs to demolish her character, her tactics, her record, everything. It will take pros to do this, of course. They can't leave her standing with a sympathetic electorate. She must either be ousted, or damaged beyond repair.

[arthurus]

Both she and John Kerry have made statements to the effect that no one has the right to say they are unpatriotic for opposing the administration and they will fight the notion, etc., etc. Yet no one of national stature has ever said they are unpatriotic.

The great controversy in 1960 about JFK's Catholocism was almost entirely made up by JFK. He needed to be a victim of unfair bigotry.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

If Hillarious, Clown Princess of Evil, gets into power, nobody will have the right to say anything.

Speculating about the Beast is the most fun topic on FR these days.

I'm on the side of those thinking she'll try "sooner, rather than later" and steal "more, rather than less" votes.

[RJCogburn]

It is folly to underestimate the Clintons. They will do anything - anything - to get what they want.

[mass55th]

Hillary needs to be defeated in 2006. If she is reelected for a second senatorial term, and is then tapped to be the Presidential nominee for 2008, it's quite possible that Bill Clinton could run to take her place in the U.S. Senate. Gov. Pataki's present term of office ends January 1, 2007. If he is defeated by a Democrat in 2006, or decides not to run for a 4th term, a Democrat could be controlling the Governor's Mansion and appoint Bill Clinton to replace his wife. And then, Bill Clinton could run for that office in any special election. Chances are he'd win because of New York City. As well, there is always the possibility that Bill Clinton could run for the office of Governor of New York State. When will this nightmare end? We've still got Chelsea to deal with and whatever little curmudgeons she produces.

[punster]

Clintonoma is a cancer on the body politic. Hitlery, aka Hellarewe, aka Hillary Rotten Clinton, aka Mrs. Bill Clinton, is dangerously malignant.

[JohnEBoy]

I agree. I have posted several times why I believe she will run in 2004, mostly due to the difficulties she will have in running in 2008. And I really believe the vote-stealing apparatus in the democrat precincts will be in turbo-mode in 2004. Bush will have to win by 5 or 6 points in legitimate votes to counter the vote stealing by Hillary's machine. Even I don't believe they can steal 5 million votes, but I know they can steal a lot of them.

This also shows why the electoral college system is so important and why she wanted to do away with it when she took office. If you steal enough votes to win a state, any additional votes you steal there won't add to your electoral vote total. So her vote-stealing will have to be coordinated around the country in key precincts ... a much more formidable task then simply stealing tons of votes in Harlem and Hollywood.

[TommyDale]

"Hillary Goes to War"

Here's hoping she goes down in flames. Perhaps even by friendly fire of other DemocRATS.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

Admittedly, it's a tall order. Without a fight, she'll steal Illinois, New York, Assachusetts, Rogue's Island.(I'll bet the votes have already been counted for her here.)
St. Louis gives her Missouri, New Jersey appears to still be controlled by the mob, er, democrats. If Davis avoids recall she'll have Cali. Phillie could be bought cheap enough, and would give her PA.

Don't recall if they ever cleaned out the sewers in Miami so that could be in play. The rest of New England will be close.

She'll have to campaign and bribe her way through everywhere else. Looks like she'll have to go all out and kidnap the children of some electors, bribe some others.

If it was just some human, I'd say she won't make it, but we're talking about an evil so foul that somewhere, deep in the darkest bowels of Hell, Satan sits trembling, terrified in the certain knowledge that someday, she'll come for him.

[freeperfromnj]

She must either be ousted, or damaged beyond repair.

If she runs in either '04 or '08 that will have to be our number one mission. I personally don't think she's as electable as the press and analysts are making her out to be. She's totally classless, she carries a ton of baggage and she has a horrible personality. It will be tough enough for the first woman to be elected President and I don't think she has what it will take. At this point I believe most people see right through her. I don't even see her carrying democrat male union voters. The most she'll carry is the big cities in the blue states.

[raybbr]

Uh... tell what you really think. Don't hold back.

(I agree with you. I wish I said it first.)

[ImpotentRage]

I agree with you about her negatives - too numerous to mention - but she still scares the hell out of me. With a complicit media protraying her as a victim if "attacked," the seeming inability of the Republicans to mount a battle, and voter fraud, her potential running as a candidate makes me VERY nervous.

[JohnEBoy]

There is no credible scenario where she (or any other democrat for that matter) wins the presidential election while not winning BOTH New York and California. So if either or both are in play for the Republicans, then the dem candidate is sunk. Recent polls show NY might be winnable by GWB and even if it's close, they would waste a lot of time and money defending what is supposed to be theirs anyway.

However, as we've said, if she can make up the difference by vote-stealing, it becomes a cheap victory.

[Grand Old Partisan]

They will go after the Presidential Electors next time.

[bushfamfan]

The Clintoons are the anti-christs of America. They really are immoral, power loving frauds. They are a very unfortunate part of this country and her partner in crime's presidency is going to show how many problems he let grow worse and worse from the economy to national security. They are sickening and phonies.

[mombonn]

Mr. Morris argues she's electable in 2008.

When I pray for the President and our country each day, I also ask the Lord to thwart her plans.