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CA: School bill would help immigrants (illegal ..errr.. undocumented immigrants)
Mercury News ^ | 5/6/03 | Jessie Mangaliman

Posted on 05/06/2003 8:40:13 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

Humberto Retana wants to spare other undocumented immigrants the anxiety he felt as a high school sophomore in Texas when he couldn't attend college because he was in the United States illegally.

Retana found peace of mind when he became a citizen through an amnesty program. Now he is working with others in the Bay Area on a more targeted but just as controversial solution: the Student Adjustment Act, a bill in the U.S. House of Representatives that would grant legal status to any child of undocumented immigrants who is pursuing a college education in the United States.

``I asked my dad, `What are we going to do?' '' recalled Retana, 32, who crossed the Texas-Mexico border with his mother when he was 8. ``To me, the question was so overwhelming. I felt utter helplessness.''

Bipartisan support

Many Republicans and Democrats support the plan, saying it would provide a permanent fix to the dilemma facing thousands of undocumented children who grow up in the United States but can be deported even if they manage to earn a degree. These children, they say, are paying a hefty price for the decision their parents made to cross the border.

``The issue is when these students graduate from college, they're still undocumented,'' said Bernardo Merino, a volunteer with the People United for Legalization of Students, a Bay Area group that supports the bill. The federal legislation would ``legalize their status so they can fully contribute to society,'' Merino said.

But a number of national groups that advocate tighter immigration controls oppose the plan, calling it a back door to amnesty.

``This is a strategic move, so amnesty can be expanded to millions of other illegal aliens,'' said Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies. ``The supporters of this have calculated that by targeting the most sympathetic group possible -- college-bound young people -- they can create an environment where a broader amnesty is possible.''

Giving students legal immigration status also sends out a message that illegal immigration to the United States is acceptable, said Dave Ray, a spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which also opposes the bill.

``The message this sends is, if you violate our laws, you can get amnesty,'' Ray said.

Obstacles for students

Without a Social Security card, undocumented immigrants often find it difficult to apply for college, even though some states, such as California, do not require the document. In most states, they also don't qualify for financial aid. Even if they manage to complete college, they can't work legally in the United States without a Social Security card.

``The situation for these students is really, really difficult,'' said Claudia Gomez, an advocate with the National Network for Immigrant and Refugee Rights in Oakland. ``They can't legalize their status on their own because there's no mechanism for it.''

For Retana, immigration law reforms in 1986 gave him the break he needed -- amnesty, citizenship and a higher education. He graduated in 1999 from the University of California-Berkeley with a bachelor's degree in psychology.

He spends weekends and nights working as a volunteer with the People United for the Legalization of Students.

``I can identify with them because those circumstances were painful to me,'' Retana said. ``I know it's for the ultimate good of the student and the good of the community.''


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: calgov2002; illegals; immigrants; schoolbill; undocumented
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LAWS, PROPOSALS THAT HELP IMMIGRANT STUDENTS

Thousands of undocumented children who grow up in the United States can be deported even if they manage to earn a degree.

• The Dream Act would allow eligible students to apply for green cards, opening the door to federal grants and other financial aid.

• The Student Adjustment Act, a bill in the House, would grant legal status to the children of undocumented immigrants who are pursuing a college education in the United States.

• California, New York, Texas and Utah have passed laws in recent years that allow undocumented students living in the United States to pay resident tuition rates at certain state universities.

It's all over, folks!

1 posted on 05/06/2003 8:40:13 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
Any writer that refers to illegal aliens as "immigrants" is engaging in propoganda.
2 posted on 05/06/2003 8:44:09 AM PDT by Hacksaw
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Ping
3 posted on 05/06/2003 8:47:40 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi .. Support FRee Republic)
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To: NormsRevenge
• The Dream Act would allow eligible students to apply for green cards, opening the door to federal grants and other financial aid.

See also "Green Card Soldiers Don't Pass Muster," LA Times, Opinion, May 6, 2003 at http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/

(Don't know why html isn't working)

4 posted on 05/06/2003 8:53:00 AM PDT by LNewman
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To: NormsRevenge
Hmmm. I am not for illegals at all. But for the kids of illegals who are going to college...these are people who will be net contributors to the economy -- that is they will pay more in taxes than they will extract in services. (Yeah, I am not citing a source, but that is a generally true statement about people who get college degrees.)

So while we don't want to encourage illegals, on the other hand we do want legal immigrants who are or become college graduates. And a case can be made that the kids did not on their own volition come sneaking into the country - they were obeying their parents. There is an "intent" issue here from a legal perspective.

My personal "solution" to this would be: make the kids obligated to pay a fine -- something like $50K. Payments to start when they finish college or turn 24, whichever is soon, and must be paid off 5 years after the payments start - or they get deported. Advantage -- the $50K can go right to the border patrol, thus providing a "fee based" approach to make it harder for illegals to enter the country. But keep the ones who get the college degree and who are taxpayers -- after all, the sin was their parents, not theirs.

Oh, and by the way. Mine the border, put snipers every 2 miles, and shoot anyone and anything that moves, day or night, along the border. This will require buying out the current property owners of course. And I am serious. Shoot, shoot to kill, and keep shooting until anything being shot at stops moving. That will stop border crossings dead. Heh heh.

5 posted on 05/06/2003 8:58:14 AM PDT by dark_lord (The Statue of Liberty now holds a baseball bat and she's yelling 'You want a piece of me?')
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6 posted on 05/06/2003 9:22:40 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Recall Gray Davis and then start on the other Democrats)
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To: Hacksaw
Oh good. I was just about to say that. There's no such thing as an "undocumented immigrant." If the people are undocumented, they're not immigrants.
7 posted on 05/06/2003 9:25:49 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: dark_lord
Oh, and by the way. Mine the border, put snipers every 2 miles, and shoot anyone and anything that moves, day or night, along the border. This will require buying out the current property owners of course. And I am serious. Shoot, shoot to kill, and keep shooting until anything being shot at stops moving. That will stop border crossings dead. Heh heh.

In principle I agree with this solution, but I'm not sure it will be workable in places like El Paso/Juarez. Do you really want land mines in a metropolitan area? Snipers hanging out on I-10?

MD

8 posted on 05/06/2003 9:45:38 AM PDT by MikeD (Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!)
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To: NormsRevenge
the children
9 posted on 05/06/2003 9:47:50 AM PDT by green team 1999
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To: dark_lord
These felons need to be deported, period. You don't reward law breakers. Minorities are getting preferential treatment when it comes to college entrance. I could go on for hours on why illegal immigration and 95% of it hurts our country.
10 posted on 05/06/2003 9:57:02 AM PDT by doc
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To: NormsRevenge
Border Control or IMPEACHMENT
11 posted on 05/06/2003 9:57:17 AM PDT by 1234 (Border Control or IMPEACHMENT)
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To: MikeD
Bulldozers.
12 posted on 05/06/2003 9:57:17 AM PDT by dark_lord (The Statue of Liberty now holds a baseball bat and she's yelling 'You want a piece of me?')
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To: Hacksaw
GUYS THE SOLUTION TO ILLEGAL RECONQUISTADORES IN AMERICA IS EASTERN EUROPEAN IMMIGRATION!!!! (Below is a post I made on another thread)

Hey since I'm Russian American, can I suggest a sharp cutback in Hispanic immigration (like say to zero?) and a MASSIVE increase in Eastern European immigration (like over a million)???

Of course the media will go NUTS and accuse the GOP of being racist but Christ, they will do that no matter what you do, so if they claim that, tell em to screw off.

13 posted on 05/06/2003 10:00:13 AM PDT by Pubbie (Bill Owens for Prez and Jeb as VP in '08.)
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To: NormsRevenge
The problem with giving these illegal students a green card is then they can get their families over here under the family reunification program. It's another back door amnesty program.
14 posted on 05/06/2003 10:53:46 AM PDT by Chi-Town Lady
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To: dark_lord
I like all of your ideas. It really makes me mad, the illegals spit in the face of every immigrant who has worked hard and followed the rules to come here legally. But I do have a sympathy for the kids, especially if they want to be Americans (like learn to speak English, get a degree, adopt our culture, pay taxes, etc.).




15 posted on 05/06/2003 2:17:06 PM PDT by BamaGirl
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To: doc
Minorities are getting preferential treatment when it comes to college entrance.

Yeah, I don't get this. Even though I don't agree, I can see why blacks and american indians get special treatment, but why hispanics? Who "oppressed" them?

16 posted on 05/06/2003 2:18:41 PM PDT by BamaGirl
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To: NormsRevenge
``They can't legalize their status on their own because there's no mechanism for it.''

So thats the problem. Whats needed is a mechanism for self-naturalization. So simple, yet brilliant.

Just the kind of logic expected from illegal immigration's overt allies & quiet sympathizers (you know who you are).

Intellectual buffoons & useful idiots.

17 posted on 08/27/2003 1:04:18 PM PDT by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: NormsRevenge
"It's all over, folks". Afraid you're right.Might be time to head for higher ground.
18 posted on 08/27/2003 1:09:54 PM PDT by novacation
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To: Hacksaw
Any writer that refers to illegal aliens as "immigrants" is engaging in propoganda.

Illegal immigration happy talk is the Merc's specialty. Facts be damned, to them illegals are the bread of life.

19 posted on 08/27/2003 1:14:48 PM PDT by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: skeeter
May I remind each and every one of you, if it wasn't for all of the immigrants before us, we wouldn't have what we have today. It is because of thier hard work and effort that we have housing, businesses, and an economy that has been built brick by brick by immigrants. Our forefathers where all immigrants at one time. America, now called the United States was over ran by immigrants and shot or murdered the rightful inhabitants (indians).

I don't think someone should be shot or killed, because they want to better themselves. All of you should be ashamed for even suggesting such a thing. If it wasn't for immigrants helping to put this country together...not one of us would even be here.

What we need to do is find a way to allow anyone to have a dual status visa, so everyone has to pay taxes and help re-build the country's economic status. Instead of penalizing the immigrants for wanting to better themselves, unless they are convicted felons, we need to give them the chance that everyone deserves to be all they can be. Not every immigrant is ignorant or stupid. Some of come from very good backgrounds, but they need to learn English to get around.

I think each and every person should be taken on a individual basis...not because they are one race or another. Being racists, does not solve the problem of people wanting to better themselves, regardless of why they are here. Give them a chance to see how they can improve the US...we are called the melting pot for a reason. So stop whining and let them pay their weight like everyone else has too.

If it wasn't for immigrants, I doubt you would have the things you have now. The only true citizens of the US are the American Indians...everyone else is an immigrant. Ignorance is not a reason to say kill someone. If that was so, most of you wouldn't be here right now.
20 posted on 07/17/2004 8:04:56 PM PDT by deanna12306
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