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Paying cash triggers alert for terrorism in new world (you are now a suspect)
The Virginian-Pilot ^

Posted on 05/06/2003 11:24:48 PM PDT by Sir Gawain

Paying cash triggers alert for terrorism in new world

The Virginian-Pilot
© May 2, 2003
Last updated: 11:18 PM

Usually, if you hear somebody say, ``Your money's no good here, pal,'' it's a nice thing. It means the barkeep is buying you a drink, or some friend or business associate has decided to pick up the dinner tab.

Journalists seldom hear that phrase, and they speak it even less. Barkeeps know that we're always broke, and if you want to see a klatch of newspaper reporters disappear into the vapor, just toss a dinner check onto their table. It's like waving a cross in front of Dracula.

But a polite equivalent of ``Your money's no good here'' arrived in the mail the other day in the form of a note from the Saks department-store folks. (The only reason we have an account with them is that my wife once said she wanted to get more from Saks, and I heartily agreed -- only to learn that, as a mutant Midwesterner, I'd once again misinterpreted her soft Virginia accent.)

Anyway, the note from Saks said that, henceforth, it would not accept cash as a form of payment on store accounts in any amount over $350. Checks and money orders and online payments and such are fine, it said, but no bills or change totaling more than $350 in any one-month billing cycle.

New federal government regulations, Saks said, made this necessary. That aroused our curiosity, as no other company with which we do credit business had advised us of any such policy. Also, as far as we could tell, the currency that the government prints still says on it, ``This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private.''

A call to the hotline number that Saks provided resulted in one of those long, oily recorded messages in which the guy pretty much repeated what Saks already had said in the note that came in the mail.

At the end of the recording it said I could ``Push 1'' if I wanted to speak to a human about it. When I did, it said no humans were available and that I should call back during normal business hours. As it was 10 a.m., I'm now as confused about their definition of ``normal'' as I am about their cash policies.

My best guess, from a day's research, is that Saks is referring to elements of the USA Patriot Act, which was passed in the wake of 9/11. Sections of that law provide new powers for tracking the flow of terrorists' money.

Under a little-discussed element of the USA Patriot Act, any business that accepts cash in the amount of $2,000 or more from a customer must file a ``Suspicious Activities Report'' with the Treasury Department if the business suspects that the customer might be involved in some illegal activity.

The definitions of ``suspicious'' and ``illegal'' are wildly, wondrously vague. The business can also report you if you do multiple cash transactions on the same day that total more than $2,000.

As someone who travels a good bit, I learned long ago that the best interpreter you can have while abroad is a fistful of crisp U.S. currency. Abroad, banks aren't always where you need them, and they are prone to give you large piles of colorful local bills rather than the greenbacks you're accustomed to.

So it's not uncommon for me to board an aircraft, as I did just two weeks ago, with a couple of thousand dollars in cash stuffed into my nooks and crannies. (The nooks, mostly, as the crannies can be painful.)

But as someone who's short, stocky, swarthy, bearded and in possession of an oddly Middle Eastern-sounding name (it's actually Welsh), I didn't realize until now that a bank clerk might be compelled to send the Treasury Department a ``Suspicious Activities Report'' on me just for moving a mere $2,000 in cash into or out of my checking account.

I suspect that Saks self-imposed a $350 cash-payment limit because it just doesn't want to get near the $2,000 limit at which someone must make a judgment as to whether the customer is a terrorist, or just a guy who prefers to deal in cash rather than paying the banks' interest charges and transaction fees.

I'm not one of those paranoids who see black helicopters in the night, or are prone to bore you with long explanations of the ``real meaning'' of that ``seeing-eye'' thingy that floats above the pyramid on our one-dollar bills. But some of the minor invasions we've accepted under the government's definition of the word ``patriot'' are downright spooky.

For decades, Second Amendment enthusiasts sported bumper-stickers that said, ``When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.'' I wonder how long it will be until we see stickers that say, ``When cash is outlawed, only outlaws will have cash.''

Contact Dave at 446-2726, or dave.addis@cox.net


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; cash; usdollars
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1 posted on 05/06/2003 11:24:48 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: AAABEST; Uncle Bill; Victoria Delsoul; Fiddlstix; fporretto; Free Vulcan; Liberty Teeth; Loopy; ...
Hello terrorists!
2 posted on 05/06/2003 11:25:32 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain
Hmmmm.......
3 posted on 05/06/2003 11:30:00 PM PDT by Beck_isright (If France actually won a war that mattered, would the world come to an end?)
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To: Sir Gawain
Patriot Act bump.
4 posted on 05/06/2003 11:30:37 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Sir Gawain
LOL......I'll be taking these huggies and all yer cash !

Stay Safe !

5 posted on 05/07/2003 12:05:21 AM PDT by Squantos (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: Sir Gawain
This is garbage! I have been a Saks credit card holder since 1966. I have NOT gotten this supposed notification.
6 posted on 05/07/2003 12:31:07 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Sir Gawain
``When cash is outlawed, only outlaws will have cash.''

That's a keeper!

7 posted on 05/07/2003 12:54:09 AM PDT by sourcery (The Evil Party thinks their opponents are stupid. The Stupid Party thinks their opponents are evil.)
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To: Sir Gawain
I live in the cash economy. No banks. Never again.
8 posted on 05/07/2003 1:14:58 AM PDT by 11B3 (Happiness IS a warm gun. After a long day's use.)
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To: Sir Gawain
So the threshold was 10,000 before PA and now 2k. Before the PA there were a lot of 9,999.99 transactions. This lowers the bar and makes it harder to launder money. 10k or 2k, what is the difference? Does not bother me. We are at war, but we forget that.


9 posted on 05/07/2003 3:57:12 AM PDT by KeyWest
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To: Sir Gawain
At times like this, I like to cite the less well known form of the Golden Rule:

Them What Has The Gold
Makes The Rules

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
Visit The Palace Of Reason:
http://palaceofreason.com

10 posted on 05/07/2003 4:40:04 AM PDT by fporretto (Curmudgeon Emeritus, Palace of Reason)
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To: Sir Gawain
The world is going crazy.
12 posted on 05/07/2003 4:44:28 AM PDT by Glenn (What were you thinking, Al?)
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To: Henrietta
ping
13 posted on 05/07/2003 6:21:14 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (NEO-COMmunistS should be identified as such.)
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To: Sir Gawain
They can kiss my a$$. This isn't about terrorism,it's about tightening the noose on our freedoms.
14 posted on 05/07/2003 7:09:49 AM PDT by FierceDraka ("I am not a number - I am a FREE MAN!")
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To: Rulling Lord
Welcome to FR

15 posted on 05/07/2003 7:51:33 AM PDT by KeyWest
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To: FierceDraka
"This isn't about terrorism,it's about tightening the noose on our freedoms."

Exactly. This is not about "catching terrorists." It's about collecting taxes and trying to get any funds that might be slipping thru the cracks, and about keeping tabs on who has what money.

A national retail sales tax would solve this problem, but then our govt would not be allowed to snoop into our private finances, would they?
16 posted on 05/07/2003 7:59:14 AM PDT by Henrietta
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To: KeyWest
I can't tell if he's far, far left or far, far right - it's getting hard to tell the two apart any more...
17 posted on 05/07/2003 8:01:55 AM PDT by dirtboy (words in tagline are closer than they appear...)
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To: Sir Gawain
It is illegal to NOT accept U.S. Currency for payment of a debt in the U.S.. Don't the bills have something like "this note legal tender for all debts public and private"?
18 posted on 05/07/2003 11:50:50 AM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (We'll raise up our glasses against evil forces.)
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To: KeyWest
We are at war, but we forget that.

What would a terrorist be buying at SAKS?

19 posted on 05/07/2003 11:52:32 AM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (We'll raise up our glasses against evil forces.)
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To: big ern
Good point! and........

I live in Texas and I see people paying with a wad of $100 bills all the time. Usually the poorest looking people have lots of cash. They don't look like terrrorists. I think they are too poor to have a bank account, and often they have just come here from Mexico. I assume they have a job and they just got paid. I usually see them at WalMart paying for their groceries. So now these people are going to be suspected terrorists.... insane!
20 posted on 05/07/2003 10:31:36 PM PDT by buffyt (The Democrat Whiners are Jealous of President Top Gun Bush's GRAVITAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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