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To: blanknoone
that Hydrogen is not a cure all for dependence on oil

Probably not. But Anything that gets us out of NutLand is worth looking into. Even the current Energy Secretary is on board with that one. And even if it CAN'T be done effectively....shhhh. Don't tell the Arabs. They'll think we can do it, and maybe start to clean up their act.

In the 1970's, when OPEC was roaring, Luis Echeverria, the President of Mexico, warned OPEC that "the Americans will create a technological solution" to get off of oil if they (OPEC) raised the price too high. It doesn't matter if he was right, wrong, or just scared. If it influenced their cartel's behavior positively...mission accomplished.

I guess we can't tell them about our Zero-Point Energy Motorcycles yet...

51 posted on 05/07/2003 1:05:51 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: Regulator

The real solution to end our dependence on foreign oil

The reason we are dependent on oil for about 40% of our energy needs is because it is such a cheap and reliable source of energy, more convenient and cheaper than the alternatives. We will NOT stop using oil when we run out, we will stop using it, WHEN A BETTER ANSWER IS FOUND AND APPLIED.

When oil ceases to be cheaper, we will use alternatives, either with existing or new technology. We can be completely free of oil dependence, using TODAY's technology, ONLY BY CREATING CHEAPER ALTERNATIVES:

1. Convert 80% of our non-nuclear electric generation from coal and natural gas to nuclear power. Use the inherently safe pebble-bed nuclear technology or other new generation nuclear technology (lead-bismuth reactors etc), which also is more efficient and will produce less waste long-term. Add in renewables (wind, hydro) so we have fossil-free electricity generation capability. Bonus with nukes: no greenhouse gas emissions, and long-term lower cost than fossil fuels. It frees up natural gas to be used in a new way: transportation.

2. Switch to hybrid ICE/electrics to triple fuel efficiency, and enable those cars to run on natural gas and also electricity instead of oil. The gas saved in step #1 can be applied to the transport sector, so we won't be increasing use of natural gas.

3. Drill in Alaska, drill off the California coast, drill in deepwater Mexico. Buy local and become energy independent and use our own oil resources BEFORE TECHNOLOGY PASSES THEM BY!

4. Increase cost of oil and keep more of money spent on oil in America: Via oil import fees, oil taxation.

5. Use and encourage use of alternative transportation methods beyond the car. for example, Personal Rapid Transit systems built on electric powered maglev technology could displace cars in urban transit settings.

6. With the above reductions in demand and increases in supply, we can furthermore break the OPEC cartel, working with other energy consumer nations. Net result: more of the money paid for oil goes to our tax base, not theirs. We use less of it and pay less out to other nations for the amount we use. End result - our oil trade deficit declines significantly.

Result: While saving about $100 billion on our energy bill in the US, we can be free of dependence on foreign oil. We import 60% of our oil used, if we increase production 20% and cut our use in half, we will be free of foreign oil.

Let me restate: We will stop using oil when a better solution is found and applied. Oil will never run out. It will simply get more expensive/annoying/societally unacceptable than the alternatives and will get displaced by them. This will happen even though plenty of oil will lie under the ground, in oil shales, etc. IMHO, it will happen in the next 25 years. As stated by another technologist, the Stone Age didnt end for lack of stones.

101 posted on 05/07/2003 7:26:09 PM PDT by WOSG (Free Iraq! Free Cuba, North Korea, Syria, Iran, Lebanon, Tibet, China...)
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