Administration defends Bush's jet flight to aircraft carrier

CNN ^ | May 7, 2003 | From John King

[MeekOneGOP]

WASHINGTON (CNN) --The White House on Wednesday strongly defended President Bush's national address last week from an aircraft carrier, rejecting Democratic criticism that the president's dramatic arrival on the USS Abraham Lincoln was little more than a campaign event for a president up for re-election in 2004.

[eureka!]

"A Clinton trip to Africa, for example, was one criticized by Republicans and analyzed by the GAO, the investigative arm of Congress."

Memo to Clymers at the dying CNN: More facts please. Here, I'll help--entourage of about 1800, 13 C-130 transports, cost to taxpayers estimated at $200 million. "Mission Accomplished?"-nothing. nada. zip.......

[skeeter]

Typically, the media is trying to make Bush's silk purse into a sow's ear.

Won't work. Most folks loved the event.

[MeekOneGOP]

Yep ! Judge Andrew Napolitano. I saw him too ! "Shut up, 'RATS" is right !!

[michigander]

Once in a while it is better to just let the jerkoffs rant and rave.
There is no reason to defend something that doesn't need any defense.
It only makes it look like there's something that needs to be hidden.

[Eaker]

"Let's Roll!!"

Means different things to different people!!!

[Howlin]

A Clinton trip to Africa, for example, was one criticized by Republicans and analyzed by the GAO, the investigative arm of Congress

Bill Clinton: America’s Best-Traveled President

Lameduck President's Continuing Globetrotting Forays

Latest Trip Pegged at $50 Million --
Most Expensive Presidential Trip Ever

There he goes again. Our globe-trotting president was flying high this month, traveling to Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Oman, and Switzerland. That brings the total out-of-country days for President Clinton, the Traveler-in-Chief, to 212. He's racked up visits to 66 countries -- some more than once -- and 2 territories not recognized as countries. He is, by any measure, the most traveled U.S. president ever.

And just how much is this latest foray estimated to cost the American taxpayer? ABC News, apparently relying on unnamed Pentagon sources, has reported a price tag: a cool $50 million -- the "most expensive overseas trip ever taken by a president," as they put it during the March 23 broadcast of World News Tonight. And because the newscast did not fully identify the costs, it is unclear if this estimate includes only military costs - or even only Air Force costs.

Meanwhile, Air Force Times also pegged the cost at $50 million [3/27/00], implying this figure reflects Air Force costs alone. The article also identifies the numbers and types of aircraft dedicated to the trip: 14 C-17 Globemaster IIIs; 12 C-5 Galaxys, 3 C-141 Starlifters; and 2 C-130 Hercules. In addition, 7 KC-10 Extenders and 39 KC-135 Stratotankers were to deploy. The return mission was to require the same types and numbers of assets with some exceptions, but to include an additional 10 Galaxys and 3 more Stratotankers.

ABC News' John McWethy, while traveling with the President -- who was accompanied by daughter Chelsea and his mother-in-law -- on the recent trip to South Asia, reported that:

"Ninety percent of the costs [cited by the World News Tonight anchor at $50 million] are for airplanes, drawn from an Air Force that is already stressed meeting military and humanitarian commitments overseas. When a President travels, all the public ever sees is Air Force One, but consider this: Seventy-seven other Air Force planes are being used on this one trip, including 26 of the biggest transports, C-5s and C-17s" [Emphasis added].

And just how much of our Air Force's assets does this represent? McWethy continued, "Military sources say that represents more than one-third of the Air Force's entire inventory of these planes that are ready to fly on any given day." As an interesting comparison, the U.S. Air Force has used only about a dozen planes to execute the most recent humanitarian relief effort to Mozambique -- where millions of lives were at stake, according to the same newscast.

The Marines also were called in to support this jaunt, as noted by the Washington Times on March 24:

"The U.S. military sent 10 CH-53 helicopters to India and Pakistan to support President Clinton's ongoing road trip. The large helicopters flew from the Marine Corps base at Kanehoe Bay, Hawaii, to ferry Mr. Clinton, daughter Chelsea and other friends of Bill.

"The helos arrived via giant U.S. Air Force C-5 transport aircraft. In addition, the Marines dispatched about 100 troops for air crews and support."

It is unclear whether ABC's or Air Force Times' estimate included the costs of these helicopters flown in from Hawaii, which - according to the General Accounting Office (GAO), the official auditor for Congress - cost $3,658 per hour to operate.

Pentagon Typically Pays for Large Portion of President's Overseas Trips

Previous investigations into President Clinton's travel record have found that a significant share of the cost of overseas trips comes out of the Pentagon's budget -- which the Clinton/Gore Administration has underfunded year after year. For instance, last year the GAO found that President Clinton's three trips in 1998 to Chile, China, and Africa alone cost a total of $72 million -- of which $60.5 million, or 84 percent, came out of the U.S. defense budget. And these figures include only incremental costs to the government, expressly excluding such ongoing expenses as payroll.

But the price tag is only one factor. Equally important is that these trips also tax our already stressed military assets, consistently deployed on far-flung, non-traditional military missions by this administration. Again, looking back to last year, one newspaper reported the President's travels throughout Africa required the Air Force to cancel or refuse 26 air missions that it would have flown in its regular duties, and postpone 30 others [St. Louis Post Dispatch, 1/10/99]. For the President's most recent excursion, so much of the Air Force's fleet was dedicated to the President's entourage that the Air Mobility Command was forced to send out "regrets" to other officials requesting aircraft [Air Force Times, 3/27/00].

The Air Force reportedly was to dedicate about 460 flying missions to the recent South Asia trip [Air Force Times, 3/27/00]. Compare that to the President's very costly 12-day trip to Africa in 1998 when the military flew 214 missions, as documented by GAO.

Security Costs Are Over and Above Transportation and Logistical Costs

In its extensive review last year, the GAO expressly did not include costs related to assuring the President's security. Secret Service costs, for example, are classified. And, so likely such costs are not included in the estimate recently cited by ABC News and Air Force Times. But, clearly there are additional costs, especially when traveling to such countries as Pakistan. The logistics for the President's arrival in Islamabad, Pakistan alone are mind-boggling. The Washington Post [3/26/00] reported the extraordinary measures taken to ensure the President's safety:

"In Pakistan, the officially marked plane landed first and taxied to the welcoming spot in front of journalists, and, as cameras clicked and whirred, several men in suits got off. The first, a large man with thick gray hair, bore a resemblance to Clinton but was actually a Secret Service agent.

"Suddenly, the unmarked plane approached the airport -- from the opposite direction from which the marked plane had come -- and made a swift, low landing. Before Clinton disembarked, a large black limousine pulled between him and the platform of journalists."

This example is merely illustrative of the security measures required for this one stop on this trip, and is not meant to criticize the need to ensure the President's safety during overseas travels.

It's a Privilege, Not a Perk

No one disputes the need for the President of the United States, as the leader of the free world, to travel overseas. However, Clinton as the most traveled President ever, who is spending extraordinary sums of limited defense dollars in the process, appears to consider these events as one long road trip, rather than an executive privilege. Recall the White House's Joe Lockhart noting to the press corps last fall that Panama was among the few nations Clinton had not visited, but then cavalierly remarked, "There are a few places still left on the list he hasn't been, and we have 15 months to rectify that" [Federal News Service: White House briefing, 10/19/99]. Given his track record, we expect they will.

Africa, Chile, China. . . Next Outer Mongolia?

Three Trips, Eight Countries, 2,400 People
-- and a $60 Million Pentagon Tab

Any viewer of the evening news could easily see that President Clinton sharply increased his travels out of town last year. But only now has the cost and scale of some of these trips been calculated. In the course of just three of his out-of-country excursions during 1998, President Clinton spent $72.1 million of the taxpayers' money to bring 2,401 people with him to eight countries (six in Africa plus Chile and China), report General Accounting Office (GAO) accountants after a one-year investigation.

These 2,401 people plus the President and lots of equipment and supplies were carried to and fro during the course of 297 Air Force missions, many of which involved several flights, often by gigantic C-5 cargo aircraft or by specialized military VIP jets, says the GAO in its draft study, "Presidential Travel: Costs and Accounting for the President's 1998 Trips to Africa, Chile, and China," provided to the Senators who last year requested it. (Note that the GAO used the term "mission" as a flight or flights on a military plane that included one or more flight segments, such as a round- trip flight to a foreign destination and a return flight to home base, or as a flight plan that included multiple flight segments.)

The defense budget paid for 84 percent, or $60.5 million, of the total cost of these trips, specifically from the Operation and Maintenance account (which pays for the day-to-day operations of our military forces, including equipment maintenance and support, purchase of spare parts, and training), and from the Transportation Working Capital Fund.

The GAO study relied upon data provided by the Pentagon and only includes the incremental cost of each trip, ignoring, for example, routine military payroll. In addition, the report only analyzes three overseas trips -- the President traveled to nine other countries in 1998 alone.

Because of the President's travels throughout Africa, the Air Force was forced to cancel or refuse 26 air missions that it would have flown in its regular duties, and postponed 30 others, according to a press report [St. Louis Post Dispatch, 1/10/99].

Normally, the Air Force's cargo aircraft are used to ferry Army, Navy, and Air Force troops and supplies around the world. It's a small wonder there is some resentment and bitterness over what some considered a wasteful use of military aircraft and crews to transport unneeded people and excess baggage, as reflected in this statement by one Air Force officer: "It's excessive. And there's no accountability." [St. Louis Post Dispatch, 1/10/99].

Slashing the Pentagon's Budget, While Spending it on Himself

While President Clinton has been spending defense dollars for his own travels, he has slashed the Pentagon's budget every year he has been in office. When he became President, the defense budget was some $300 billion. By 1997, that number had fallen to $254 billion (or $224.7 billion, holding inflation constant), an incredible 25-percent drop in real economic terms, and this in an era where federal spending otherwise grew by some 16 percent.

This year, the President promised to increase defense spending by $110 billion over six years, with a $12 billion bump-up in 1999 alone. Even this figure falls far short of the recommendations of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) who, in 1998 (as Clinton and his entourage racked up over 5,400 air hours on three trips), testified as to a need for $148 billion over six years, with an increase of $17.5 billion this year alone. And their $17.5 billion requirement excluded the $2.5 billion needed for pay raises and enhanced benefits, bringing the total 1999 requirement to $20 billion. Overall, the President's defense spending plan was at least $40.5 billion less over six years -- and $8 billion less in 1999 -- than the levels outlined by the Joint Chiefs in 1998.

During his presidency, Clinton has used U.S. forces abroad 45 times. Even now, at least 200 U.S. troops are bound for East Timor. These deployments are in addition to the 6,900 U.S. troops in Bosnia, 7,000 troops in Kosovo, and some 20,000 troops -- mostly sailors and Marines -- involved in Southwest Asia around Iraq, enforcing maritime sanctions in the Arabian Sea and two no-fly zones over Iraq. These operations have strained U.S. troop readiness and quality of life: operational tempo (OPTEMPO -- the work pace for maintenance, repairs and combat training) has increased, keeping soldiers away from their families for long periods of time, equipment is being cannibalized, and training is suffering.

None of this bothers this President -- whose upcoming travel plans may include Antarctica. His staff later acknowledged such a trip would impose significant "logistical problems" (that is, that the lack of infrastructure in Antarctica would create even greater -- and more costly -- logistical requirements than those posed by the trip to Africa). This has not deterred President Clinton; press reports claim he is still considering an Antarctica escape. He has also voiced a desire to see Vietnam -- despite his refusal to accept a previous Air Force offer to fly him there for free some 30 years ago.

How Do These Trips Stack Up?...

The data provided by the GAO report, which estimates the costs of President Clinton's 1998 trips to Africa, Chile and China, allows for some interesting comparisons:

• The accounting system used by the Pentagon to estimate flight costs gives the President the same rate as that charged for sending soldiers sent to Bosnia, Haiti, and East Timor. According to press reports, the Pentagon usually charges non-defense customers roughly 33 percent extra. [St. Louis Post Dispatch, 1/10/99]

• Under these less generous calculations, airlift for Clinton's trips to China, Africa, and Chile would have cost roughly $70 million, bringing the Pentagon's total cost to approximately $77 million. Adding back in the non-defense costs of the trips, the grand total of taxpayers money spent on the three trips would reach just over $90 million.

• Clinton also traveled to nine other countries in 1998 alone (since 1993, he's visited 59 different countries, many of them more than one time), but the cost of those trips has not been calculated.

• The total cost to the Pentagon of the President's three trips -- $60.5 million -- could buy some 3,000 Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAM) smart bombs. These are the bombs the U.S. used so widely, and ran low on, during the war in Kosovo.

• 904 members of the Pentagon accompanied the President to Africa, a number equivalent to one U.S. Army battalion.

• While one of the objectives of the President's trip to Africa was "to promote U.S. investment, trade, and economic growth" in that country, the Commerce and Treasury Departments only sent three people each, while the Treasury and U.S. Trade Representative each were represented by only one person. Meanwhile, the White House brought along over 200 people and the U.S. Information Agency brought over 100 travelers.

And, How Was The Military Used?

• The number of missions flown (excluding helicopter missions): Africa -- 148; Chile -- 36; China -- 47.

• The number of military flight hours for each trip: Africa -- 3,508; Chile -- 716; China -- 1,017.

• 5 different types of passenger aircraft; 4 different types of strategic-lift aircraft; and 2 different types of aerial refueling aircraft were flown.

• 5 different types of helicopters were used to support the Africa trip; 2 different types of helicopters were used for the Chile trip.

[CyberAnt]

After all, this was the ship which was only 2 weeks away from returning home from a 6 month deployment, and the President ordered them to turn around and return to duty for another 3 months. The President went there because these people had been away from their loved ones longer than any ship deployment in history. Knowing the President, I think he felt personally responsible to these people. It was, for him, personal thanks as well as presidential.

The only snafu was that the President could have gone there by helicopter, because the ship was closer than they thought it was going to be at the time the President arrived in CA (San Diego) (where he gave a speech in Santa Clara the next day). Since the plans were already made, they just went ahead. I just don't see a problem with it. But then, I am partial to Bush.

But ... according to FOX's legal guy, in order for this to be political, Bush would need to promote somebody running for office, or be on a ballot himself. Since neither of these "facts" existed, this was not "political".

[MeekOneGOP]

He should have used the F-14.

Those pesky Secret Service guys . . .

White House officials said that in planning the trip, the Navy recommended using either an F-14 or an S-3 to carry the president because those are considered safest. The Secret Service objected to using an F-14 because it has only two seats.

[goodnesswins]

EWWWWW....look at the WANKER on the right.....EEWWWWW....you should have warned us!!!!

[MeekOneGOP]

No wonder the Democratic mascot is the jackass.

LOL!

[Martin Tell]

Wanna bet the Dims use the footage in one of their advertisments against President Bush???

Only unless they have really lost their collective minds (what little remains). Every time they bring this up it reminds the nation of our victory. The RATs will soon have focus groups/polls telling them that and drop this particular hot potato.

Another possibility is that the RATs are scared to death of Bush using this photo in campaign ads and are trying to intimidate him against doing it (or innoculate themselves against such ads), much the same way that they are already complaining about the Pubbies having their '04 convention in NYC ("How dare they! It will remind the gullible public of the way President Bush led after 9/11. We can't allow that! Wahhh! It's not (it won't be) fair!")

Maybe the Pubbies should cut a deal with the RATs - W. can't use footage from the Abraham Lincoln arrival, and John French Kerry can't use the word "Vietnam." Think they'd take the deal?

[eureka!]

See # 26. Great job Howlin. Much more planes and larger entourage than I noted earlier...

[Howlin]

There's plenty more where that came from.

They need to SHUT UP.

[Wolfstar]

Yeah, and it's an insult to the jackass!

[tracer]

I long ago have added Byrd and Waxman to the itinerary of my someday bus tour of Democrat gravesights.

The tour will feature copious amounts of liquid refreshments and few pit stops other than the many visits to famous Demo-lib gravesites identified by "dual-use" marble headstones and monuments.

Large umbrellas, held sideways, will be provided to forestall any claims of indecent exposure.....

[Howlin]

Presidential Visits to Naval Ships

This list includes ship visits by presidents, during their terms as president, presently known to the Ships History Branch. There have undoubtedly been others; any additional information would be appreciated. Commissioned presidential yachts are included though these were not, strictly speaking, "visits to Navy ships" since these yachts were not part of the operating forces. The yacht Sequoia is listed under F.D. Roosevelt only, the only period during which she was in commission. Small craft, such as the motor boats used by a number of presidents after World War II, are not included. Individual ship histories are included in the Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships.

John Tyler (1841-45)           Steam sloop Princeton (1844)

Franklin Pierce (1853-57)      Steam frigate Wabash (1856)

William McKinley (1897-1901)   Yacht Sylph (1898-1901)

Theodore Roosevelt (1901-09)   Yacht Sylph (1901-09)
                               Battleship Illinois (1902)
                               Yacht Mayflower (1905-09)
                               Submarine Plunger (1905)
                               Battleship Louisiana (1906)
                               Battleship Connecticut (1907; 1909)
                               Battleship Mississippi (1907)

William H. Taft (1909-13)      Yacht Sylph (1909-13)
                               Yacht Mayflower (1909-13)
                               Battleship Arkansas (1912)

Woodrow Wilson (1913-21)       Yacht Sylph (1913-210
                               Yacht Mayflower (1913-21)
                               Transport George Washington (1919)

Warren G. Harding (1921-23)    Yacht Mayflower (1921-23)

Calvin Coolidge (1923-29)      Yacht Mayflower (1923-29)
                               Battleship Utah (1928)
                               Battleship Texas (1928)

Herbert C. Hoover (1929-33)    Battleship Maryland (1928-29)
                               Battleship Utah (1928-29)
                               Battleship Arizona (1931)

F. D. Roosevelt (1933-45)      Yacht Sequoia (1933-36)
                               Cruiser Houston (1934; 1935; 1938; 1939)
                               Yacht Potomac (1936-45)
                               Cruiser Indianapolis (1933; 1936)
                               Destroyer Phelps (1937)
                               Cruiser Philadelphia (1938)
                               Cruiser Tuscaloosa (1939, 1940)
                               Cruiser Augusta (1941)
                               British battleship Prince of Wales(1941)
                               Battleship Iowa (1943)
                               Cruiser Memphis (1943)
                               Cruiser Baltimore (1944)
                               Destroyer Cummings (1944)
                               Cruiser Quincy (1945)

Harry S. Truman (1945-53)      Yacht Williamsburg (1945-52)
                               Cruiser Augusta (1945)
                               Battleship Missouri (1945, 1947)
                               Destroyer Lansdowne (1945)
                               Submarine U-2513 (1946)
                               not yet identified (1946-47)

Dwight D.Eisenhower (1953-61)  Yacht Williamsburg (1953)
                               Carrier Saratoga (1957)
                               Submarine Seawolf (1957)
                               Cruiser Des Moines (1959)
                               Cruiser Saint Paul (1960)
                               Submarine (unidentified)
                               Submarine Patrick Henry (year?)

John F. Kennedy (1961-63)      Destroyer Joseph P Kennedy Jr (1962)
                               Coast Guard training ship Eagle (1962)
                               Submarine Chopper (1962)
                               Submarine Thomas A. Edison (1963)
                               Missile test ship Observation Island 1963)
                               Carrier Kitty Hawk (1963)
                               Carrier Oriskany (1963)

Lyndon B. Johnson (1963-69)    Carrier Enterprise (1967)

Richard M. Nixon (1969-74)     Carrier Hornet (1969)

James E. Carter (1977-81)      Submarine Los Angeles (1977)
                               Carrier Dwight D Eisenhower (1978)

Ronald Reagan (1981-89)        Carrier Constellation (1981)
                               Battleship New Jersey (1982)
                               Battleship Iowa (1986)

George H. W. Bush (1989-92)    Carrier Forrestal (1989)
                               Guided Missile Cruiser Belknap (1991)

William J. Clinton (1992-2001) Carrier Carl Vinson (1993; 1995)
                               Carrier George Washington (1994)
                               Carrier Independence (1996)
                               Carrier Harry S. Truman (1998)
                               

George W. Bush (2001-    )     Carrier Abraham Lincoln (2003)

[eureka!]

"There's plenty more where that came from. They need to SHUT UP."

LOL, but I beg to differ. Let them open the door. It'll give Rush/O'Reilly/Hannity/pundits the opportunity to set the record straight. The Rats are going nuts and it is a beautiful thing to behold....

[MeekOneGOP]

EWWWWW....look at the WANKER on the right.....EEWWWWW....you should have warned us!!!!

clintoon could use one of Kramer's Manzierre, or Bro (Man's bra) . . .

[Howlin]

A White House memo, dated June 16, 1994, concerning preparations for President Clinton's trip to Normandy for the 50th anniversary of D-Day:

MEMORANDUM FOR ALL STAFF WHO STAYED ON THE USS GEORGE WASHINGTON

FROM:

ISABELLE R. TAPIA

MICHAEL R. LUFRANO

OFFICE OF SCHEDULING AND ADVANCE

RE: Reimbursement for Items Removed from the Ship

The executive officer of the USS George Washington has relayed that a number of items were removed from Staterooms on the ship during the White House visit. The following items are unaccounted for:

13 Blue Towels with GW Insignia	$11 each
4 GW Bathrobes with Insignia	$35 each
12 Plain White Bathrobes	$15 each
55 White Towels	$1.80 each

As you know, the ship and the U.S. Navy served as our gracious hosts during this trip. They provided these items for our use, not as souvenirs. They have requested reimbursement of $562 from the White House for the above items.

If you are responsible for removing one or more of these items from the ship, please remit payment to Michael Lufrano in Room 185 of the OEOB. Make any checks payable to the USS George Washington. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to call either of us at 456-7560 or Capt. Rogers at 456-2150.