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The Conner Debate(Murder of the Unborn Citizen)
Newsday.com ^ | May 9, 2003 | Tina Susman

Posted on 05/09/2003 11:19:15 AM PDT by cpforlife.org

Slain Peterson child becomes issue in abortion controversy By Tina Susman STAFF WRITER

May 9, 2003

Though never born, Conner Peterson has achieved remarkable fame. In four months, the fetus has gone from being the bulge in the belly of his famously missing mother, Laci, to being Conner the unborn son, a murder victim who surfaced on a California beach last month.

In the process, Conner has become a sort of poster child for abortion foes and the worst nightmare of abortion rights groups as they fight over the definition of human life.

If abortion opponents have their way, there might even be a law named after Conner Peterson.

They are using the highly-publicized case to call for more laws recognizing fetuses as human beings when they fall victim to violent crime. The latest push came Wednesday when Sen. Mike DeWine of Ohio introduced the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, to allow prosecution for harming or killing a fetus during a federal crime. At the same time, DeWine presented a letter from Laci Peterson's grieving family supporting the bill.

"Knowing that perpetrators who murder pregnant women will pay the price not only for the loss of the mother, but the baby as well, will help bring justice for these victims," said the letter, signed by several members of Laci Peterson's family. They proposed naming it Laci and Conner's Law.

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TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: murderbyabortion
“The solution to ending the culture of death does not realistically lie with changing the minds of pro-abortion adults; it lies with preserving the 99+ % of children that are naturally pro-life on their first day of school.”
THE MISSING KEY OF THE PRO-LIFE MOVEMENT

1 posted on 05/09/2003 11:19:15 AM PDT by cpforlife.org
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To: MHGinTN; Coleus; Remedy; nickcarraway; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; ...

Please let me know if you want on or off my Pro-Life Ping List.

2 posted on 05/09/2003 11:21:22 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.” Hosea 4:6)
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To: cpforlife.org
Is NOW proposing Scott's law, which diminishes the punishment to anyone who kills a ``fetus'' in the commission of a crime.
3 posted on 05/09/2003 11:29:53 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: All
Who are the unborn?


I AM:

A CHILD OF GOD

THE HEART OF A MARRIAGE

THE FOUNDATION OF A FAMILY

THE FUTURE OF OUR REPUBLIC

A CITIZEN--WAITING AND WANTING TO BE BORN

A PERSON

DESTROY ME--AND YOU DESTROY THE FUTURE

CHRISTIAN PATRIOTS FOR LIFE

4 posted on 05/09/2003 11:35:29 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.” Hosea 4:6)
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To: 2nd amendment mama; A2J; aposiopetic; attagirl; axel f; Balto_Boy; bulldogs; ...
ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

5 posted on 05/09/2003 12:02:28 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (What is it with you people and your constant demand for funky taglines?)
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To: cpforlife.org
Though never born

He was born. He just wasn't born alive. (They found the baby's corpse apart from Mom Laci)

6 posted on 05/09/2003 12:05:01 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: cpforlife.org
God has a purpose for every life. May Conner's short life mark the beginning of the end of the pro-death movement.
7 posted on 05/09/2003 12:13:21 PM PDT by HanneyBean
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To: HanneyBean
Amen
8 posted on 05/09/2003 12:17:05 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.” Hosea 4:6)
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To: cpforlife.org
My copy of the Constitution says a citizen is one who is "born or naturalized". Which one was this kid?
9 posted on 05/09/2003 12:32:56 PM PDT by frodolives (Moose bites can be pretti nasti)
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To: frodolives
Neither. What does it matter? Murder is murder.
10 posted on 05/09/2003 1:38:39 PM PDT by roderick
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To: Colofornian
He was born. He just wasn't born alive.
Maybe. Maybe not.
Macbeth:
As easy mayst thou the intrenchant air
With thy keen sword impress as make me bleed:
Let fall thy blade on vulnerable crests,
I bear a charmèd life, which must not yield
To one of woman born.
Macduff:
Despair thy charm,
And let the angel whom thou still hast served
Tell thee, Macduff was from his mother’s womb
Untimely ripped.
Macbeth, Act 5, Scene 8
11 posted on 05/09/2003 1:39:29 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: frodolives
Your insulting (insulting the name and memory of that little one, Connor) question exposes your defense of murder on demand if it applies to the unborn for whom you hold no humane regard. If an illegal alien (not a citizen at all) is murdered by someone using your excuse for protection or no, would that be legal to kill the alien or illegal, based solely on the recognition of the alien's humanity? Crawl back under your rock, despicable troll. [Apologies to all other trolls.]
12 posted on 05/09/2003 2:32:43 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: frodolives
While you try to answer the question in #12, consider the FACT that the state of California has a specific fetal homicide law that addresses the murder of an unborn little one. Put that in your ghoulish calculator, too.
13 posted on 05/09/2003 2:40:36 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: frodolives; cpforlife.org
Constitutional Persons:An Exchange on Abortion

The common law basis of our system embodied in the principle of stare decisis and the just requirements of consistency in applying the law demand a respect for precedent. To this objection I offer two replies. First, there was a federal court precedent for the unborn person reading of Fourteenth Amendment before Roe v. Wade, though this fact was virtually ignored by Justice Harry Blackmun and the Roe Court. In Stenberg v. Brown (1970) a three-judge federal district court upheld an anti-abortion statute, stating that privacy rights "must inevitably fall in conflict with express provisions of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments that no person shall be deprived of life without due process of law." After relating the biological facts of fetal development, the court stated that "those decisions which strike down state abortion statutes by equating contraception and abortion pay no attention to the facts of biology." "Once new life has commenced," the court wrote, "the constitutional protections found in the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments impose upon the state the duty of safeguarding it." Yet in commenting on the unborn person argument in Roe, Justice Blackmun wrote that "the appellee conceded on reargument that no case could be cited that holds that a fetus is a person within the meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment." He did so despite the fact that he had cited the case just five paragraphs earlier! The failure of both appellees and the Court to treat this case is both unfortunate and inexplicable. Second, while our system is based upon a reasonable and healthy respect for precedent, this has never prevented the Court from revisiting and modifying precedent when the erroneous foundation and unjust results of that precedent become manifest. Such is the case with respect to abortion and the Fourteenth Amendment.

State Homicide Laws That Recognize Unborn Victims

The Unborn Victims of Violence Act (H.R. 503) recognizes unborn children as victims of federally prohibited crimes of violence. If someone injures or kills an unborn child while committing a violent federal crime against a pregnant woman, the assailant will be charged with a separate offense on behalf of the unborn child. The bill simply puts federal law behind the common sense recognition that when a criminal attacks a pregnant woman, and injures or kills her unborn child, he has claimed two human victims. The House passed H.R. 503 / vote: 252-172 April 26, 2001

Homicide Based on the Killing of an Unborn Child -- In this essay, Alan Wasserstrom surveys the history of laws which prosecute feticide--the destruction of a human fetus--as homicide.

14 posted on 05/09/2003 2:55:51 PM PDT by Remedy
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To: frodolives; Remedy; MHGinTN; All
My copy of the Constitution says a citizen is one who is "born or naturalized". Which one was this kid?

frodolives,

The Constitution is based on The Declaration of Independence.

The second paragraph reads thus:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Abraham Lincoln wrote the following in 1855:

As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it, "all men are created equal except Negroes." When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal except Negroes and foreigners and Catholics." When it comes to this, I shall prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty.

frodolives, your question may be interpreted as "all men are created equal except before they are born." Please note that the Declaration reads CREATED EQUAL not BORN EQUAL. Also note that it reads"...certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Now frodolives, obviously LIFE is listed as the first of all the "certain unalienable Rights" simply because without Life no other Rights are possible.

I am sure that you are not one the "Know-Nothings" President Lincoln was referring to, so if you could--please explain specifically what your point of posting your #9 is.

15 posted on 05/09/2003 3:20:37 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.” Hosea 4:6)
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To: frodolives
Does your Constitution provide any protection at all for non-citizens? Or do you hold the position that as long as it's the law of the land, it muxt be just?

2 years ago, I couldn't have left my houose without a male relative in Afghanistan without being shot. 100 years ago, I wouldn't have been a full citizen in this country, and in some states could not have owned property, held custody of my own children, or charge my husband for beating me. In 1855, Justice Taney declared that the founding fathers never meant for black persons to be citizens, and returned Dred Scott to slavery.

Human rights don't vary by nationality, geography or birth status. The only difference is *which* humans are considered **human enough** for the "citizens" to protect them against infringement of those rights.
16 posted on 05/09/2003 8:31:38 PM PDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US.)
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To: cpforlife.org
They are using the highly-publicized case to call for more laws recognizing fetuses as human beings when they fall victim to violent crime.

Oh my, the errors of logic! Shouldn't the pro-choice movement defend the right to choose? Why are they opposed to protect the choice of life? Laci had chosen life for her baby. Obviously, they are only interested in protecting the choice of death.

17 posted on 05/10/2003 5:05:31 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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