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Fighting Mad Doctors in Pennslyvania organize for protest against malpractice insurance gouging
Politically Active Physicians Association ^ | 4-10-03 | Bones McCoy

Posted on 05/10/2003 7:41:45 AM PDT by bonesmccoy

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To: JusPasenThru
Thanks for your comments.

California has had an utter collapse of independent physician judgement.

The hospitals are controlling the local healthcare dollars. The state is ordering ridiculous things for doctors to do.

I live with the same fears... which is why I am currently working with the physicians in our company to build legal defenses around our physician-patient relationships.

Creating those barriers and walls against outside influences is critical.
61 posted on 05/12/2003 7:50:54 PM PDT by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: Mamzelle
>>Oh, and don't forget to jail all the lawyers who lose their cases instead of winning them.<<

On the cartoon JLA, there was an episode with these beings who had Green Lantern on trial. The exchange went something like this:

Flash: Why won't you let him have a lawyer?

Beings: We solved our lawyer problem eons ago.

Flash: Oh yeah? So you just railroad innocent people?

Beings: Very well, you may represent your friend. But you will share in his fate (death if guilty)

Flash: Whaaat?

Beings: Now you know how we solved our lawyer problem.
62 posted on 05/12/2003 7:58:47 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Peace through Strength)
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To: nmh
The medical industry at LARGE refuses to address the massive incompetency that is ongoing in their profession. They refuse to take away licenses from doctors that are incompetent.

The "medical industry" does not issue medical licenses.

States do.

The "medical industry" does not revoke medical licenses.

States do.

If you have evidence of the "massive incompetency" that you claim exists, then make a list of all the doctors you know are incompetent, document the facts of the cases of such incompetence, write a complaint against the medical licenses of those doctors and then mail the documentation to your State's Board of Professional Licensing.

By the way, just out of curiosity, how many Morbidity and Mortality Reviews, Medical Staff Quality Assurance meetings and Hospital Credentials Meetings do you regularly attend?

At least in our Hospital and in our County, I see no evidence of the alleged "massive incompetency" that you claim exists at the M&M, MSQA and Credentials meetings that I attend.

63 posted on 05/12/2003 8:34:35 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Polybius
Ask ANYONE that has a serious medical problem about the competenct of the medical industry AT LARGE. You will more incompetenc than your naive, but large ego can handle.

It IS the medical community that needs to get rid of those who are the worst offenders. Obvioulsy you are not familiar with the Medical Review Board who has the authority to REVOKE a license. If you want to rely on the "state" you might as well not bother.

64 posted on 05/12/2003 9:11:42 PM PDT by nmh
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To: Polybius
Too bad your so defensive. For all I know you're a prime offender who like others in the medical profession can not tolerate ANY cirticism.

I don't have to attend your silly medical seminars that don't address this issue. All I have to do is go INTO a hospital and SEE the care or rather incompetenet NEGLECT that routinely takes place. You on the otherhand bury yourself in trite back slapping idiots.

65 posted on 05/12/2003 9:15:41 PM PDT by nmh
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To: Polybius; nmh
re: By the way, just out of curiosity, how many Morbidity and Mortality Reviews, Medical Staff Quality Assurance meetings and Hospital Credentials Meetings do you regularly attend?)))

Typical cheap shot from a know-nothing--even if nmh had the opportunity to serve in such a capacity, the responsibility would terrify and he'd run from the liability that those on QA shoulder.

It's like that other urban legend, the ER that won't see patients without them paying first. They just shove the MIs out the front door to die on the doorstep.

Those like nmh nurse their resentments as the hospitals and doctor's practices dwindle and die. When this thread started, I looked skeptically at that long list of docs in Penn. Docs do relocate for other reasons than malpractice crises--but there are two very important bolsterings of this story: 1) the circumstances of the hospitals 2) the decrease in real numbers, from one decade to the next, of physicians in Penn.

Of course, that's also a conspiracy of the medical industry to limit the number of new physicians by limiting med students...

67 posted on 05/13/2003 5:14:17 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: nmh
re: I don't have to attend your silly medical seminars that don't address this issue. )))

LOL--those weren't seminars...those are the tedious, mind-numbing meetings that take place with the chiefs of staff and hospital administration, trying to address errors and increase quality. Incident reports and patient complaints at six am in the morning because that's the only open hours to address the issues. Shows me just how much your blow-it-out-the-rear comments are based in any real experience.

It's clear you've been nowhere near a hospital.

On my really grumpy days, I like to picture guys like you with a kidney stone after you've done your best to shut down the ERs and succeeded...

I don't know why more hospitals aren't just shutting down their ERs, and running the rest of the hospital without it.

68 posted on 05/13/2003 5:21:17 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: nmh
Ask ANYONE that has a serious medical problem about the competenct of the medical industry AT LARGE. You will more incompetenc than your naive, but large ego can handle.

By definition, every patient with cancer or any patient in the ICU or any patient after a serious motor vehicle accident has a "serious medical problem". Unlike you, I am involved in the medical care of and see and talk to those people every single work day.

By "at large", it seems that you mean that you read in a newspaper that something happened, out of the millions of cases in the U.S., somewhere in any city in the U.S.

Such a broad statement would be analogous to someone reading FreeRepublic, coming across your posts where you misspell “incompetence” as “competenct”, misspell “criticism” as “cirticism”, use “your” instead of “you’re” and misspell “incompetenc” in the sentence “You will more incompetenc than your naive, but large ego can handle” and then declaring that FreeRepublic AT LARGE is populated by uneducated people who cannot spell or string a coherent English sentence together.

I don't have to attend your silly medical seminars that don't address this issue.

The meetings that I mentioned are not “seminars”. They are meetings in the Hospital where every medical case in the Hospital that encountered an unexpected problem is reviewed. Every single case.

Too bad your so defensive. For all I know you're a prime offender who like others in the medical profession can not tolerate ANY cirticism.

Actually, in 23 years of medical practice, I have never been sued. I am just more involved in the medical QA mechanism that ensures competency than you, an individual who has not yet spelled “competence” correctly.

69 posted on 05/13/2003 7:07:16 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Polybius
"Actually, in 23 years of medical practice, I have never been sued. I am just more involved in the medical QA mechanism that ensures competency than you, an individual who has not yet spelled “competence” correctly."

There's the problem right there. Your being directly involved in the medical profession has blinded you to reality. You don't want to hear that the allopahtic branch of the medical community at large is severly troubled to put it mildly. Criticism or headlines that highlight the true shape the allopathic community is in under raises your defensive anger.

After years and years of admiting anything that breathes based on ANYTHING but merit has taken it's toll. We are reaping what we've sown. Incompetency abounds however you will never see it because of an abundance of ego and pride. You consider it a personal attack.

It doesn't matter to me what YOU think of the situation. It's patients that spread the word and that is your bread and butter. Those seriously ill are the best testimony to the gross incompetence that is common place in your medical community.

Too bad if you don't want to hear it, much less accept that clean-up must be done within your medical community before it would be reasonable to lower liability rates. At the moment it's like the "wall of silence" that police used to have. Rates aren't raised unless there is a reason and that reason is common incompetence. So, keep defending the idiots and your rates will continue to climb as you are pooled with them. In the meantime "alternative" care is growing because people have very little confidence in the allopathic mob.

Savy people know that nutrition DOES make a big difference. They also know that alliopathic doctors, if htat is what you are, have betrayed Hippocrite. He stated long ago, "let your food be your medicine and your medicine be your food". Today you stand that on its head. Diet and good nutrition mean nothing to you. In fact, medical school now are clamouring to offer courses in it since people are realizing that is true, again. You on the other hand, can't wait to offer liver, kidney damaging drugs that ONLY suppress symptoms and cause other problems elsewhere. Then again the patient isn't what is paramount in your mind. Whereas the "alternative" approach, one the Hypocrites started with is eating your lunch and will continue to do so because it is effective. While there are times to round up the synthetic calvary, the majority of health problems don't need it.

What always amazes me is the sheer arrogance by the allopathic medical community at alarge. Here, all they do is supress symptons, NEVER fix the ROOT cause and want homage as if they are god/godess. LOL! Or if they can't supress the sympton, then if possible, REMOVE the offending organ. It's barbaric and only for the stubborn and simple minded. Obviously I have a very low opinion of the allopathic crowd. I'm unimpressed with their approach and results and ther "opinions" leave alot to be desired. I suppose that's why they have to "practice" medicine because it is based on pharmaceutical based "opinions" not sound objective science. In short it's a despicable and dishonest business that harms people.

70 posted on 05/14/2003 5:30:18 PM PDT by nmh
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To: Polybius
"Actually, in 23 years of medical practice, I have never been sued. I am just more involved in the medical QA mechanism that ensures competency than you, an individual who has not yet spelled “competence” correctly."

When all else fails - always criticize spelling. Of course that will always give YOU credibilty and respect. LOL! If your profession were so compentent then we wouldn't have lawsuits, would we? Nah, why symptom supressors deserve god like status. LOL! They're egotistical morons.

71 posted on 05/14/2003 5:33:15 PM PDT by nmh
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Here, all they do is supress symptons, NEVER fix the ROOT cause and want homage as if they are god/godess.

Yeah, imagine the gall of those damned allopathic physicians, operating on patients with acute appendicitis, instead of sending the patient down to the local health food store for some more vitamin pills.

Or giving antibiotics to cure a Helicobacter pylori infection and heal a gastric ulcer, instead of sending the patient down to the local health food store to buy more vitamin pills.

Or giving Demerol to a patient passing a kidney stone, instead of sending him down to the local health food store to buy more vitamin pills.

Or repairing a torn anterior cruciate ligament, instead of sending the patient down to the health food store to buy more vitamin pills.

Or giving a schizophrenic patient medicine that stops the voices in his head, and allows him to live a more or less normal life, when what he really needs is to run down to the health food store for some more vitamin pills.

Or taking the handle off the Broad Street pump to prevent the spread of cholera, instead of sending everyone in the neighborhood down to the health food store for some vitamin pills.

Obviously it's a conspiracy against the vitamin pill peddlers. And we know they are never guilty of greed, fraud, or misrepresentation. Only the allopathic doctors do that.

-ccm

72 posted on 05/20/2003 3:45:24 PM PDT by ccmay
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To: nmh; Polybius; Mamzelle; Jim Noble
It IS the medical community that needs to get rid of those who are the worst offenders. Obvioulsy you are not familiar with the Medical Review Board who has the authority to REVOKE a license. If you want to rely on the "state" you might as well not bother.

< snicker! > This is like the kid teaching his grandma to suck eggs, except in his case, he hasn't a clue how.

I guess this proves he is a simple ignorant blowhard and not an alternative medicine quack. Even the quacks know that the various State medical boards not only hold the power to revoke medical licenses -- and do so regularly -- but in fact they are generally the only body with any such power. The AMA can't, the AAMC can't, even the Feds can't (except to the extent they can revoke DEA prescribing privileges for controlled substances.)

I don't know who this almighty "Medical Review Board" is, supposedly existing outside State control, but thank heavens they have never visited me or any physician I know-- unlike the dozen or so doctors of my acquaintance who have had their licenses suspended or revoked by the Medical Board of the State of Arizona, and usually deservedly so.

Isn't it comforting to know that public policy is being driven by letters to Congressmen written by this kind of uninformed braying jackass?

-ccm

73 posted on 05/20/2003 4:22:35 PM PDT by ccmay
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To: ccmay
and want homage as if they are god/godess

That is the best part of the job...

74 posted on 05/20/2003 5:16:09 PM PDT by Jim Noble
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