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US rivals turn on each other as weapons search draws a blank
The Observer ^ | 5/11/03 | Paul Harris and Martin Bright

Posted on 05/10/2003 5:29:55 PM PDT by Ranger

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To: Ranger
I believe WMD have already been found.

How many times during the war did we get reports of soldiers coming across stockpiles of suspicious chemicals that initially tested "positive?" These chemicals were said to be undergoing additional tests...and we never heard the results.

I think things are being kept under wraps until all the chemicals are accounted for.

21 posted on 05/10/2003 6:41:39 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob
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To: UnBlinkingEye
I know this will come as a shock but the Iraqi government and ours was a bit different. When we start cutting off ears and tongues ,gasing our political opponents,doing torture,imprisoning people who grumble about the leader,executing dissidents,holding one candidate elections then we'll see.
22 posted on 05/10/2003 6:43:00 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: walkingman
I asked if we in the United States have a fair and equitable distribution of our own oil wealth in response to your demand that Iraqis have fair and equitable distribution of the wealth.

Your response was:

We aren't a defeated autocracy.

Why should people in a defeated autocracy have fair and equitable distribution of a natural resource when we in the United States don't?

23 posted on 05/10/2003 6:46:57 PM PDT by UnBlinkingEye
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To: UnBlinkingEye
We are not socialist/communist.
24 posted on 05/10/2003 6:50:18 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Yeah, they are, but on the other hand, many of the Bush supporters are now saying it wasn't even about WMDs.

Yeah, well I'm not one of them. I say we need to find the stuff. Not to justify anything, but to make damned sure some Iraqi colonel doesn't dig it up five years from now when we're long gone, and make himself a quick million bucks by selling it to the Atta boys.

Somebody in that country knows where a lot of it is, and that same somebody knows it's worth a lot of money to some people. We didn't fight a whole war to let that happen.

25 posted on 05/10/2003 6:53:11 PM PDT by Nick Danger (The liberals are slaughtering themselves at the gates of the newsroom)
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To: MEG33
Me: Why should people in a defeated autocracy have fair and equitable distribution of a natural resource when we in the United States don't?

You: We are not socialist/communist.

Can you tell me why our policy for Iraq is so different from domestic policy? The joke is fair and equitable distribution of the oil in Iraq, nothing about our economic system is fair and equitable.

26 posted on 05/10/2003 7:00:44 PM PDT by UnBlinkingEye
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To: UnBlinkingEye
I hope you feel better soon.
27 posted on 05/10/2003 7:03:03 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: arthurus
I cannot believe anyone would be stupid enough to declare WMD's were present when they didn't have proof. Somewhere along the chain of command someone is lieing. The vital question then becomes, how far up the chain of command did this take place? I believe if I was made out a liar not due to my complicity, I would be doing my utmost to clear my name and reputation.

I hear no protestations from Rumsfeld, Bush, Powell, or others from the inner circle. The silence is deafening. Do these gentlemen not care of their reputation? Do they not care of the credibility of the US in foreign relations? Evidently not.

28 posted on 05/10/2003 7:06:47 PM PDT by meenie
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To: UnBlinkingEye
Why should people in a defeated autocracy have fair and equitable distribution of a natural resource when we in the United States don't?

We don't do utopian leftism here. We don't even debate it. The world is full of utopian leftism; this is a haven from it. If that is what you wish to do, I'm sure we can arrange to have our helpful and friendly Viking Kitties point you in the right direction. This is not that direction.


29 posted on 05/10/2003 7:09:43 PM PDT by Nick Danger (The liberals are slaughtering themselves at the gates of the newsroom)
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To: Nick Danger
Me: Why should people in a defeated autocracy have fair and equitable distribution of a natural resource when we in the United States don't?

You: We don't do utopian leftism here. We don't even debate it. The world is full of utopian leftism; this is a haven from it. If that is what you wish to do, I'm sure we can arrange to have our helpful and friendly Viking Kitties point you in the right direction. This is not that direction.

No debate, the definition of a Free Republic. Why does the oil of Iraq belong to the people when the oil of the United States does not?

31 posted on 05/10/2003 7:16:35 PM PDT by UnBlinkingEye
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To: UnBlinkingEye
Our economic system is just fine, and there is plenty of fairness: you have twelve years of school, plus kindergarten, plus preschool, plus any post-secondary education you might desire, to prepare to enter that economy. If you fail in the economy, it's because you failed at your preparation.
32 posted on 05/10/2003 7:18:40 PM PDT by Terpfen
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To: Ranger
A) Consider the source. B) According to UN Res 1441, the UN said Iraq had WMDs. We'll find them. Or find out what happened to them.
33 posted on 05/10/2003 7:19:20 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: UnBlinkingEye
Why does the oil of Iraq belong to the people when the oil of the United States does not?

If you are talking about this assumed socialism over the oil, I am in livid agreement with you. I have not heard one word about forming a private corporation to own that oil, and passing out shares to "the Iraqi people." Maybe that's in the plan, but so far everything I've heard sounds suspiciously like 'public ownership of the means of production.' I am stunned that this should be happening with Bush and Rumsfeld calling the shots.

I do know that there are serious think-tankers working on this. For you or me to design this here on an Internet forum is nuttery; it's way too complicated a problem for that. But there are private enterprise guys on the case, and they are working with the Administration to come with something. It may be that the assumed socialism is simply the media reporting the only thing that makes sense to them, given that they know nothing. I hope that is the case.

These kinds of reallocations to "the people" have happened here as well, and under much the same circumstances, i.e. after wars, revolutions, land rushes, etc. Somewhere in Oklahoma there is oil baron whose ancestors were on the border in their covered wagon the day the Oklohoma Territory opened up. At that point Oklahoma belonged to "the people," and so did the oil, even though nobody even thought about oil back then. One guy's ancestor settled in a place that turned out to have oil under it. Lucky him.


34 posted on 05/10/2003 7:42:50 PM PDT by Nick Danger (The liberals are slaughtering themselves at the gates of the newsroom)
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To: mckenzie
Why was the 'war' "right" the original premise was "he has weapons of md"

none have been found the us govt now says 'we may never find the wmd'

Care to take a drink out of the Tigris or Euphrates River???

38 posted on 05/11/2003 1:59:12 PM PDT by mware
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To: mckenzie
and you should be scared - very scared of what is hapenining to the USA

"Eliminate the paranoid & emotional response."

39 posted on 05/11/2003 2:42:32 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (FReepers discover the TRUTH, and distribute it.)
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