Tennessee School District Sued Over Ties to Evangelistic Crusade

FOX News via AP | 5/12/03 | Unknown

[Blood of Tyrants]

Not at all. I mean you do not have the right to "not be offended" by another person's observation of religion. If a person prays silently before their meal and you are uncomfortable, tough.

BTW, the unofficial state religion is secularism/humanism/atheism. They have no problem forcing that on the rest of us.

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

Watch out. Belia will be asking your papers next.

She can't do that, I have already referred to my Libertarian True US Constitution in #42 so I'm clear. Whoops, I said "clear" now I'm in trouble for being a Scientologist.

[Belial]

Watch out. Belia will be asking your papers next. "I vant to see your papers please".

You're right that my hyperbole was a bit over the top, but this is even sillier. The right to be a Christian isn't in danger. That kind of victimology is just plain lame.

[Zavien Doombringer]

Photo: Belial asking,"Your papers, let me zee your papers"

[Kuksool]

Ping!

More government school lunacy.

[freeeee]

freedom of religion doesn't mean a state run religion. It means you can worship rocks if you want to.

I fully agree. But that's freedom of religion, a close but separate issue. My question was about freedom from religion.

You stated there is no freedom from religion. In that case, it would seem that the government wouldn't be violating your rights if it imposed religion on you.

For example, if there was no freedom from religion, government could make it illegal to skip church on Sunday, or eat non-kosher foods, or trim your beard, or require females in public to wear a burka and still not violate anyone's rights.

It's exceedingly clear those would violate rights, so it holds there is freedom from religion, no?

[Zavien Doombringer]

The expression, Freedom from religion means; If I want to pray in school, it means there isn't a law prohibiting me from it. If a school Principle doesn't like me praying in school, legally he cannot touch me. If the school all of a sudden enforced Penticostal Holiness traditions in the classroon I would have to use my 1st Admendment right. But if a Penticostal Holiness attender wants to practice his/her faith, you must let them!

[Belial]

Photo: Belial asking,"Your papers, let me zee your papers"

Ah, the obligatory Nazi reference. Good one, old chap.

[Dataman]

pilgrammage

Just so I live up to your expectations, check your spelling.

[freeeee]

I mean you do not have the right to "not be offended" by another person's observation of religion. If a person prays silently before their meal and you are uncomfortable, tough.

I fully agree. There is no right to not be offended.

the unofficial state religion is secularism/humanism/atheism

In your opinion, would it be possible for the state to be neutral towards religion, neither helping it or hindering it in any way, or would neutrality in itself constitute promotion of atheism?

[Tax-chick]

Obviously this thread took off without my additional contribution (I had to go clean something), but to me, Blood of Tyrants and Michael sounded like they thought it was appropriate to have a free-for-all in the school, with pagans being a particularly suitable target:

Why don't we just make a law requiring children to be nice to each other? (BoT)

Pagans, huh ... Gee that might not have anything to do with the kid being harassed now would it? (Michael)

And the suggestion that the complaint is about money may be true, but as someone else pointed out, EVERY 14yo girl is harassed. Teenage boys don't have to be religious fanatics to attack a girl, but they'll use that as an excuse, if they think they can get away with it. Or they'll use any other excuse. I know from my own experience and what I hear from middle school girls today. It's one of the most important of the many reasons my children don't go to school!

How about we get rid of the unconstitutional government school system completely? Then families of every type can pay their own money for their own schools? Until that glorious day, if Maynardville Public Schools (or any other) are pretending they're in the business of education, then keep the students in the school and educate them, instead of going on field trips of any religious persuasion.

[Blood of Tyrants]

American Indian ceremonies are most often religious in nature.

[Zavien Doombringer]

Mathematics is as close as we get to "objective" truth

You are wrong again, there are objective mathematics, yet Math is Absolute! 2+2=4 That is an absolute! Truth is an absolute! It is either right or wrong, it doesn't lie in a "gray" area. Because "absolutes" are removed with objectives, there aren't any standards! We are witnessing the "objective teaching" in our school systems now!

If it isn't truth, it is a lie! Plain and simple!

If there isn't Truth, there isn't right and wrong, it's all objective. and if that be the case, Hitler and Saddam aren't wrong.

[Zavien Doombringer]

Ah, the obligatory Nazi reference. Good one, old chap

That explains a bit, not may Americans use that term. You are either a "Bloke" or an "Aussie", not to many Aussies use that term, so it narrows it down to Britain.

[f.Christian]

(( separation of state and ... freaks (( evolution )) --- not God ! ))

[freeeee]

What I wonder is why athiests object to any religion?

Atheists like any other demographic group are a mixed lot. Some of them despise religion and think they have some right to not be offended.

Others don't hold any hostility towards religion, but deeply resent having it imposed upon them by the state. I count myself as the latter, and I really don't like the former. They give us all a bad name and engender hatred towards us as a whole.

You generally won't notice the respectful atheists because they keep their mouths shut.

[f.Christian]

What evolutionists are doing ...

is using conservative scientific rhetoric to force teach liberal tyranny (( satanism // atheism )) ---

a bolshevic monopoly to persecute theists (( true conservatives )) !

[Tax-chick]

By the way, anyone else find it funny the guy from the school was names, "Mr. Goforth?" As is, "Go forth and multiply."

When people take "Go forth and multiply" seriously, they usually end up homeschooling, anyway. It's the only way to stay solvent and sane ... er, what passes for "sane" for us :-). And it eliminates all the religion/school problems.

It's a great option for pagans, too!

[Belial]

That explains a bit, not may Americans use that term. You are either a "Bloke" or an "Aussie", not to many Aussies use that term, so it narrows it down to Britain

What that explains is that you make too many assumptions, and have a tin ear for sarcasm.

[freeeee]

Hi f.Christian.

I like your tag line. LOL