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Should illegal aliens get driver's licenses?
Townhall.com ^ | May 13, 2003 | Phyllis Schafly

Posted on 05/13/2003 4:27:39 PM PDT by UnklGene

Should illegal aliens get driver's licenses? Phyllis Schlafly (archive)

May 13, 2003

The hottest controversy in state legislatures today regards allowing illegal aliens to obtain driver's licenses. Americans were shocked to discover that most of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 carried driver's licenses from Virginia, Florida or New Jersey.

A driver's license is the pass to board a plane, as well as the license to a drive car. It confers a sort of quasi-citizenship and, as described by one illegal alien in Texas, "The driver's license ends up becoming our pass to be in this country."

Since 9/11, 21 states have enacted new legislation to make it harder to get driver's licenses, and legislation has been introduced in another 22 states. Even in Idaho, State Sen. Cecil Ingram told a public hearing, "This has turned out to be a bigger problem than I thought."

The states embarrassed by the 9/11 hijackers have gotten the message. Virginia passed a bill to stop issuing driver's licenses to illegal aliens, and Florida and New Jersey passed legislation to coordinate driver's licenses with immigration visas.

New Jersey, where driver's licenses have been made of paper and do not require a photo, has long been the target of document fraud and counterfeiters. The state is now converting to state-of-the-art digitized driver's licenses with a dozen covert and overt security features, including a mandatory photo, bar code, hologram and digital signature.

Peter Gadiel, whose 23-year-old son James died in the World Trade Center attack, has traveled from Connecticut to Virginia, Maryland, North Carolina and Tennessee to support beefed-up identification laws. Twenty states do not require applicants to prove they are legally in the United States.

Tennessee, another state known to be casual about issuing driver's licenses to illegal aliens, is considering a measure that would require driver's license applicants to present a document showing they are legally in this country. A Tennessee legislative committee also heard testimony about the need to tighten driver's license rules from April Gallop, a survivor of the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon.

Minnesota is trying to address the controversy through rule-making by the Department of Public Safety. The proposed rule would require visitors to present documents to prove they are in the country legally, and the license would expire when their visas expire.

Georgia would seem an unlikely state for immigration controversies, but an estimated 435,000 Hispanics live in Georgia, a 300 percent increase over 1990, according to the U.S. Census. A lively, big group showed up at a hearing in Gainesville from the town of Hall, where at least 19 percent of the population is Hispanic and 85 percent of those are not citizens.

Georgia has been wrangling over a bill that would allow driver's licenses to be obtained by illegal aliens who come only from the "Free Trade Area of the Americas," i.e., from Canada, Latin America and some Caribbean islands.

Among those who spoke against the proposed legislation was retired Col. A.R. "Mac" MacCahan (whose Army unit lost 206 of 212 men fighting in the Korean War). He asked, "What part of illegal don't you understand?" Others ask, why reward people who have committed at least three felonies: illegal entry into the U.S., purchasing fraudulent documents to get a job and misrepresenting the legality of those documents at the workplace?

Kentucky was once one of the easiest states for illegal aliens to get a driver's license. That changed after a 1998 incident in which the Immigration and Naturalization Service arrested a vanload of illegals from Russia who had traveled from New York to Louisville to get driver's licenses.

After that, Kentucky reinstituted a policy of requiring that noncitizens applying for licenses take a written test. County Circuit Clerk Tony Miller said, "We try to be helpful. We offer that test in 21 languages," but Miller didn't explain how it promotes safety to license drivers who can't read the road signs.

Arizona and Mississippi have killed bills to make it easier for illegal aliens to get a driver's license. California Governor Gray Davis has twice vetoed a bill to allow illegal aliens to obtain driver's licenses, but the legislature is still debating this issue.

INS public affairs officer Garrison Courtney identified one of the biggest problems: "If they were illegal when they came here, it's very difficult to determine who they really are because they've created illegal IDs for themselves."

The Seattle Times reported that one U.S. Department of Justice raid discovered piles of cash totaling $95,262, plus $10,000 worth of computer equipment and specialty papers that had been used to print 800 fake driver's licenses, green cards, work permits, Mexican birth certificates and Social Security cards.

Many are concerned about the danger from issuing licenses to terrorists who might use trucks loaded with gasoline or other hazardous materials in the same way that hijackers used commercial airliners on 9/11.

The U.S. Transportation Department reported last year that we lack sufficient safeguards, particularly from the many states that do not require applicants to prove they are legally in the country.

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KEYWORDS: driverslicense; id; illegalimmigration; phyllisschafly
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1 posted on 05/13/2003 4:27:39 PM PDT by UnklGene
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To: UnklGene
Let's see..are they paying state taxes? If not, no license.
2 posted on 05/13/2003 4:30:50 PM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: UnklGene
This question is best answered with a question. Should illegal aliens get drivers licences? That depends on whether we are really a country that has things like citizenship and rights and laws and responsibilities, or are we not really a country at all?

I remember my whole life being told "driving is not a right, it is a privilege". One that we now give away to people who are not even here legally. Either we assert that we are a nation of laws that EVERYBODY has to obey, or else let's just throw in the towel and admit that our laws are not really enforced any longer, and prepare for the chaos that is sure to follow.

Here's a thought. Why don't we change our citizenship and immigration laws to be exactly like what Mexico has?
3 posted on 05/13/2003 4:32:57 PM PDT by Billy_bob_bob ("He who will not reason is a bigot;He who cannot is a fool;He who dares not is a slave." W. Drummond)
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To: UnklGene
Whenever I need to go to Europe I order a foreign driver's license, just in case. If they want to continue to issue them here, they should be very obviously different than the local kind.
4 posted on 05/13/2003 4:34:37 PM PDT by EggsAckley ( Midnight at the Oasis)
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To: UnklGene
No license! If they are here illegally, let them drive illegally as well.

If we give them driver's licenses, they will abuse them as well by using them to vote, collect benefits, etc...

Believe me, it will happen regardless of how provisionary we make the licenses.

5 posted on 05/13/2003 4:35:04 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: UnklGene
It confers a sort of quasi-citizenship and, as described by one illegal alien in Texas, "The driver's license ends up becoming our pass to be in this country."

When I drive in Mexico, I don't have to get a Mexican driver's license ----if a state doesn't want to arrest someone because they're driving with a Mexican driver's license, it's one thing ---giving them a state driver's license implies they're legal residents and they are not. Here illegals can use their Mexican licenses ---to me it's better, the local cop might not ask them their immigration status if they present a Mexican license and weren't committing some serious crime but they can't use those licenses for getting back and forth over the border easily as they could if they had a US license.

6 posted on 05/13/2003 4:36:11 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: UnklGene
NO. And I don't see anything to discuss about it.
7 posted on 05/13/2003 4:36:19 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: UnklGene
Um, hang on a sec, lemme try this . . . NO!
8 posted on 05/13/2003 4:37:02 PM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: UnklGene
Of course they shouldn't. No brainer. Amazing that they do however.
9 posted on 05/13/2003 4:37:37 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: UnklGene
Let them get an international license just like I did when I went to Europe. By the way I couldn't get a drivers license in any country I visited. Why should they get a US (State) license while they are here?
11 posted on 05/13/2003 4:39:10 PM PDT by Militiaman7
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To: UnklGene
Yes give the drivers licenses, welfare, Section 8 housing, SSDI, free health care, etc, etc.

I'd post the </sarcasm off> but it's too late. Their already getting all of this and more.

12 posted on 05/13/2003 4:39:37 PM PDT by husky ed (FOX NEWS ALERT "Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead" THIS HAS BEEN A FOX NEWS ALERT)
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To: UnklGene
I have known many illegal aliens while living in California. Most of the adults had driver's licenses, and they said they were easy to get as long as you paid the money. The going rate back then was $100 for a license. Those in the DMV can be paid off fairly cheaply, it seems. What about stricter control of that?
13 posted on 05/13/2003 4:40:01 PM PDT by ReagansShinyHair
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To: UnklGene
discover that most of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 carried driver's licenses from Virginia, Florida or New Jersey.

The other bad thing ----how could you know anyone from these states are here legally if they make it easy ----the citizens of those states could end up having to prove citizenship in some other way if they were trying to cross an international border while the rest of us just need to show a drivers license. If Florida wants to recognize Mexican licenses, that would be a different matter.

14 posted on 05/13/2003 4:40:18 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: UnklGene
they can get in-state-tuition...why not driving licences too???
15 posted on 05/13/2003 4:40:39 PM PDT by Bill Davis FR
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To: Militiaman7
Also I don't think we hand Canadians a US driver's license when they're here driving around ---don't they just use their own?
16 posted on 05/13/2003 4:42:07 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: UnklGene
Simple answer. NO!!
17 posted on 05/13/2003 4:46:09 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: UnklGene
Any person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) who commits encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."
18 posted on 05/13/2003 4:47:37 PM PDT by Eric Esot
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To: unix
The issue came up here in the Tennessee legislature, and the governor supported continuing to provide licenses to illegals. Why? Because he said the state couldn't afford the drop in revenues provided by the license fees. Insanity reigns!
19 posted on 05/13/2003 4:48:32 PM PDT by Fraulein
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To: UnklGene
My view is that we should set up a registered Guest Worker program to handle the need on both sides for Mexican workers in this country. They would not be illegal and should be able to get drivers licences. All others are illegals and should not have any rights associated with citizenship, including licenses and tuition breaks.
20 posted on 05/13/2003 4:50:03 PM PDT by expatpat
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